One Key Fits All Boeing Flight Decks: Lord Janner
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I don’t think you have had much experience of tear gas or you would know that smoke goggles won’t work although oxygen on 100% will stop you inhaling it. My vote goes to a nine mill and a couple of days training a month. That and 1 to 4 hundred pax not willing to lose their lives should do the job.
I don’t think you have had much experience of tear gas or you would know that smoke goggles won’t work although oxygen on 100% will stop you inhaling it. My vote goes to a nine mill and a couple of days training a month. That and 1 to 4 hundred pax not willing to lose their lives should do the job.
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Well his Lordship will be shocked to discover that not only does one key open the door on all Boeings,
the same key also fits Airbus and Lockheed aircraft!
A flight attendant gave me my key in 1987, and it has opened the flight deck doors on the L-1011/B767/B747/A340. (I can only presume it will work on the B757 and the rest of the Airbus series).
The door lock maker must have a monopoly supplying to the aircraft manufacturers!
the same key also fits Airbus and Lockheed aircraft!
A flight attendant gave me my key in 1987, and it has opened the flight deck doors on the L-1011/B767/B747/A340. (I can only presume it will work on the B757 and the rest of the Airbus series).
The door lock maker must have a monopoly supplying to the aircraft manufacturers!
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BTW, why are pax still allowed to bring belts, silk scarves, shoelaces and other mundane stuff that can be used as a deadly weapon........
Transporting pax dressed like prison inmates will not be a viable long-term solution to the problem.
Enforcing carry-on limits might be a good idea but banning carry-on will simply reduce the appeal flying now has even if airlines finally manage to improve on the overall travel experience. Right now you feel that you're done with when coming to the baggage claim area which - at least on all the airports I have seen from the pax point of view - usually fails to look as inviting or friendly as the departure area. Baggage claims areas and lost luggage offices (sorry, that's "after landing services" now) counters often look like thirld world train stations, something rarely encountered in the "before flight" section of the airport.
Pax would not insist on carrying everything on the a/c if airlines would try to consistently improve baggage handling.
(I am a pilot and am still amazed at the way airlines ignore this problem because it would require an industry-wide effort.)
Transporting pax dressed like prison inmates will not be a viable long-term solution to the problem.
Enforcing carry-on limits might be a good idea but banning carry-on will simply reduce the appeal flying now has even if airlines finally manage to improve on the overall travel experience. Right now you feel that you're done with when coming to the baggage claim area which - at least on all the airports I have seen from the pax point of view - usually fails to look as inviting or friendly as the departure area. Baggage claims areas and lost luggage offices (sorry, that's "after landing services" now) counters often look like thirld world train stations, something rarely encountered in the "before flight" section of the airport.
Pax would not insist on carrying everything on the a/c if airlines would try to consistently improve baggage handling.
(I am a pilot and am still amazed at the way airlines ignore this problem because it would require an industry-wide effort.)
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Iris scanners, pin numbers, swipe cards. deadlock bolts..You guys that made these suggestions need to visit the real world...
Have you never heard of pilot incapacitation,
The window has blown out because wrong bolts were fitted, co-pilot flies aircraft calls for cabin crew to hold on to the pilot.
Co-pilot has siezure causing full rudder input to be locked on a 747, Captain maintains control of aircraft, cabin crew remove co-pilot from controls there by saving aircraft.
"Excuse me Captain can you just/ remove the deadlock so I can help you/ remind of my pin number/ensure the scanner is working, it doesn't seem to recognise my iris.
If you seriously are making these suggestions you will need three crew on all aircraft and a loo + galley for the flight deck. Oh and don't forget pilots suffer from DVT as well so I need an excercise area.
Now about the price of these tickets.....
Have you never heard of pilot incapacitation,
The window has blown out because wrong bolts were fitted, co-pilot flies aircraft calls for cabin crew to hold on to the pilot.
Co-pilot has siezure causing full rudder input to be locked on a 747, Captain maintains control of aircraft, cabin crew remove co-pilot from controls there by saving aircraft.
"Excuse me Captain can you just/ remove the deadlock so I can help you/ remind of my pin number/ensure the scanner is working, it doesn't seem to recognise my iris.
If you seriously are making these suggestions you will need three crew on all aircraft and a loo + galley for the flight deck. Oh and don't forget pilots suffer from DVT as well so I need an excercise area.
Now about the price of these tickets.....
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Ppruners should not get too excited by the rantings of the so-called Lord Janner. Anyone who has watched the British Parliament debates on television will remember Greville Janner MP as a pompous ignoramus, who loves the sound of his own voice. It is apparent to Parliament watchers, that Janners voice and brain are not inter-connected. He particularly loved the limelight on the Select Committee which he chaired and seemed totally uninterested in listening to any facts, which contradicted his opinions.
He is not a real Lord, by the way. He is one of Tony's cronies.
He is not a real Lord, by the way. He is one of Tony's cronies.
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With regards to pax bringing on possibly dangerous metal items picked up in the "sterile" areas, how about another metal detector just before entering the departure gate? They did this in many airports in the world before Sept.11, maybe a few more should consider it?
Doubles the chances of picking anything "suss" up.
Thoughts?
Doubles the chances of picking anything "suss" up.
Thoughts?
re the knockout gas.
I drive a 757. Just above the FO's head are 4 CBs that operate the pax ox system. Pull them, wind the cabin alt control to manual and turn the outflow valve round. No CBs, no rubber jungle, no oxygen, no terrorists running down the aisle.
Give em 5 minutes and either descend to, say, 16000 or drop the jungle manually. Enough ox to survive but not enough to get physical with the door.
Been discussed as a serious option.
Comments please (no lawyers)
I drive a 757. Just above the FO's head are 4 CBs that operate the pax ox system. Pull them, wind the cabin alt control to manual and turn the outflow valve round. No CBs, no rubber jungle, no oxygen, no terrorists running down the aisle.
Give em 5 minutes and either descend to, say, 16000 or drop the jungle manually. Enough ox to survive but not enough to get physical with the door.
Been discussed as a serious option.
Comments please (no lawyers)
Paxing All Over The World
This letter is in The Times (London) Thursday 11th.
FROM CAPTAIN DAVID HURFORD
Sir, The Prime Minister?s statement to the House of Commons that ?every reasonable measure of internal security is being undertaken? in the wake of September 11 (report, October 5) is heartening to those of us who travel by air frequently, and in tune with his reference to the need for ?vigilance? under an increased threat of terrorist attack on British soil.
Mr Blair may have felt less confident of air security had he been on the flight that I took as a passenger on September 27 from Edinburgh to Amsterdam. After inquiring at check-in about increased security, I was advised that, with the exception of some restriction on hand-baggage, security measures are now back to ?normal?. This was evident both on the ground and in the air where, astonishingly, the cockpit door was left open for most of the flight.
It seems this particular airline will not take heed of the Prime Minister?s words unless forced to do so by regulation. Are we so naive as to believe that what happened in the US could not happen here? Is it pedagogic to suggest that ?strengthening? of air security procedures in the UK should be based on the assumption that every aircraft using British airspace is a potential missile? Assiduity is the word ? yet how quickly many in this beleaguered industry seem to forget.
Yours faithfully,
DAVID HURFORD
(747 pilot),
Edinburgh
FROM CAPTAIN DAVID HURFORD
Sir, The Prime Minister?s statement to the House of Commons that ?every reasonable measure of internal security is being undertaken? in the wake of September 11 (report, October 5) is heartening to those of us who travel by air frequently, and in tune with his reference to the need for ?vigilance? under an increased threat of terrorist attack on British soil.
Mr Blair may have felt less confident of air security had he been on the flight that I took as a passenger on September 27 from Edinburgh to Amsterdam. After inquiring at check-in about increased security, I was advised that, with the exception of some restriction on hand-baggage, security measures are now back to ?normal?. This was evident both on the ground and in the air where, astonishingly, the cockpit door was left open for most of the flight.
It seems this particular airline will not take heed of the Prime Minister?s words unless forced to do so by regulation. Are we so naive as to believe that what happened in the US could not happen here? Is it pedagogic to suggest that ?strengthening? of air security procedures in the UK should be based on the assumption that every aircraft using British airspace is a potential missile? Assiduity is the word ? yet how quickly many in this beleaguered industry seem to forget.
Yours faithfully,
DAVID HURFORD
(747 pilot),
Edinburgh
