Aria IL-62M landing accident, Mashad (Iran)
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Aria IL-62M landing accident, Mashad (Iran)
An IL-62M crashed on landing at Mashad Iran today, reportedly killing 17 people:
ASN Aircraft accident Ilyushin 62 Mashad Airport (MHD)
ASN Aircraft accident Ilyushin 62 Mashad Airport (MHD)
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Yet Another Iranian Crash!
Reported at Mashad. On the Beeb website now. Looks like another bargain basement Russian-made machine. One wonders whether the Iranians are a people for whom aviation is just too darn difficult!
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Is this the second in about two weeks, at this rate all the airlines in Iran are going to find themselves on the EU blacklist.
My thoughts are with those who have lost loved ones.
My thoughts are with those who have lost loved ones.
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No, it's the consequence of the western technology boykott. The question is: how long do the Iranians want to continue to fly with russians wrecks. The leaders want their atomic energy, so the population has to suffer.
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unfortunately those blacklists are not applicable to countries the west doesnt want to piss off.
I heard from a little mouse that airlines (names withheld) were being blacklisted from flying into the U.S due to safety concerns but continued to fly into the U.S through compromise to keep the 'peace'
I heard from a little mouse that airlines (names withheld) were being blacklisted from flying into the U.S due to safety concerns but continued to fly into the U.S through compromise to keep the 'peace'
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lets not blame the boycott for their crashes, many airlines have safely flown Russian/Ukrainian equipment for decades...many issues come from poor oversight and *probably* poor SOP's
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No politics please.
Errr..your statement is purely political Dani. The issue of atomic energy/nuclear weapons is nothing to do with aviation, and is merely a personal opinion. Not Rumours and News. Not aviation. Wrong website.
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Nope, because Iran wants nuclear energy, the western world put the boycott in place. Because of the boycott there is no western aviation in Iran anymore. Started already 30 years ago with the F-14A.
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According to Iranian media, the death toll has now risen to 30.
Iran: Thirty die in Aria Air plane crash in Mashhad
Before we kick the Iranians again, it's probably fair to point out that the aircraft bore a Kazakstan registration. Is it fair to assume, then, that the crew were Kazakh nationals?
Iran: Thirty die in Aria Air plane crash in Mashhad
Before we kick the Iranians again, it's probably fair to point out that the aircraft bore a Kazakstan registration. Is it fair to assume, then, that the crew were Kazakh nationals?
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Do you think maybe we can at least wait until the wreckage stops smoldering before we go bashing entire countries/cultures/airlines for something where we know nothing of the cause yet??? 
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Errr..your statement is purely political Dani. The issue of atomic energy/nuclear weapons is nothing to do with aviation, and is merely a personal opinion. Not Rumours and News. Not aviation. Wrong website.
Why?
Have a look to IRAN Press concerning this and the recent tragic accident.
They are acusing the "WEST", whoever that is...
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it does make a huge
difference where an airline is located geo politically in regards o accident statistics..
we know North America, i.e. the US and Canada, have the safest all around air travel infrastructure, closely followed by the European Union. Both spheres enjoy democratic systems, the rule of law and market economies..
Africa and the neostallinist Russia and some former soviet republics and the greater Middle East have no democratic systems, no rule of law, no market economies and are burdened by huge corruption..
If you look at the ICAO statistics those countries have the worst safety record in civil aviation..
so dictatorships are dangerous for their own people and for other states..
and civil aviation proves that to the point..
we know North America, i.e. the US and Canada, have the safest all around air travel infrastructure, closely followed by the European Union. Both spheres enjoy democratic systems, the rule of law and market economies..
Africa and the neostallinist Russia and some former soviet republics and the greater Middle East have no democratic systems, no rule of law, no market economies and are burdened by huge corruption..
If you look at the ICAO statistics those countries have the worst safety record in civil aviation..
so dictatorships are dangerous for their own people and for other states..
and civil aviation proves that to the point..
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The current political situation has a direct influence on the aviation industry in Iran. To say otherwise would be very short-sighted at the very least. Earlier on this year, I looked at working in Iran on a western type for a Iranian operator. I did my homework thoroughly and spent some time speaking to the manufacture of the type that I fly, so I could get some accurate advice. They said that had been advised not to support the operator concerned in any shape and form. It has to be said that it is in any aircraft manufacturers interest to offer any necessary support to any airline that operates aircraft which have been manufactured by them. So I would guess that the decision not to support this Iranian operator was enforced upon the manufacturer due to political pressure and restrictions.
However sanctions cannot be blamed as the sole cause of these accidents. Other countries have had their aviation industry strangled by sanctions and have produced a safety record that the Iranians would probably be very envious of. It is interesting to note that it is mainly Russian types that seem to suffer in Iran. Bear in mind you have a large aviation industry in Iran with a large mix of Russian and Western types and Airbus and Boeing accidents are rare in Iran. With Iran sharing borders with Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan then in theory it should be easier to 'smuggle' parts for Russian aircraft than it would be for a western type. However there is a 'home-grown' spares industry that is active in Iran and with private airlines trying hard to make a profit, the number of corners that are being cut could be eye watering to say the least. Sadly these incidents will only create discussion and rumour and the real cause will never be known.
The Iranians could not really care if the EU blacklisted them. Iran Air and Mahan Air are the only airlines that operate regularly to Europe. The latter was previously blacklisted and worked hard to get themselves off the black list. If Iran Air is blacklisted then I am sure the Iranians will ban all European operators from Iran and that isn't going to go down too well in Europe. Therefore, I suspect an exception to the blacklist for Iran Air and Mahan Air would be made which would effectively change nothing from as it is now.
However sanctions cannot be blamed as the sole cause of these accidents. Other countries have had their aviation industry strangled by sanctions and have produced a safety record that the Iranians would probably be very envious of. It is interesting to note that it is mainly Russian types that seem to suffer in Iran. Bear in mind you have a large aviation industry in Iran with a large mix of Russian and Western types and Airbus and Boeing accidents are rare in Iran. With Iran sharing borders with Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan then in theory it should be easier to 'smuggle' parts for Russian aircraft than it would be for a western type. However there is a 'home-grown' spares industry that is active in Iran and with private airlines trying hard to make a profit, the number of corners that are being cut could be eye watering to say the least. Sadly these incidents will only create discussion and rumour and the real cause will never be known.
The Iranians could not really care if the EU blacklisted them. Iran Air and Mahan Air are the only airlines that operate regularly to Europe. The latter was previously blacklisted and worked hard to get themselves off the black list. If Iran Air is blacklisted then I am sure the Iranians will ban all European operators from Iran and that isn't going to go down too well in Europe. Therefore, I suspect an exception to the blacklist for Iran Air and Mahan Air would be made which would effectively change nothing from as it is now.
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How does North Korea fits into your theory? They should crash every morning and also after lunch if you judge how undemocratic they are, but somehow they still flying.
How does Soviet Union fits? USSR had very similar % of crashes to USA in 60/70/80s.
How does North Korea fits into your theory? They should crash every morning and also after lunch if you judge how undemocratic they are, but somehow they still flying.
How does Soviet Union fits? USSR had very similar % of crashes to USA in 60/70/80s.
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If you look closely to the news footage, they show the wings at some point. I noticed that the flaps and the slots are in retracted position. May be the crew had to land without them hence the emergency and the accident.
If you look closely to the news footage, they show the wings at some point. I noticed that the flaps and the slots are in retracted position. May be the crew had to land without them hence the emergency and the accident.
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would you fly as a pax in a North Korean Airliner???
and they do not fly a lot...they are mainly grounded...and other than China maybe they have a weekly flight to China, and maybe Russia, but other than that they are not allowed to land anywhere..who should travel on a North Korean airliner?????...they dont let their own people fly out, and nobody else from the West would like to go there....their air traffic does not exist..there is nothing...
plus I doubt that you would hear anything if they crash...no info gets out of that country...
The then Soviet Union fits my description perfectly...most crashes they had had never been reported in the West....ever heard of censorhip before???
The Soviets kept the crashes even a secret from their own people..
Their safety record could never be compared to the West... it was terrible
and if you doubt my theory, just download the respective ICAO docs...
it's all in there...
and they do not fly a lot...they are mainly grounded...and other than China maybe they have a weekly flight to China, and maybe Russia, but other than that they are not allowed to land anywhere..who should travel on a North Korean airliner?????...they dont let their own people fly out, and nobody else from the West would like to go there....their air traffic does not exist..there is nothing...
plus I doubt that you would hear anything if they crash...no info gets out of that country...
The then Soviet Union fits my description perfectly...most crashes they had had never been reported in the West....ever heard of censorhip before???
The Soviets kept the crashes even a secret from their own people..
Their safety record could never be compared to the West... it was terrible
and if you doubt my theory, just download the respective ICAO docs...
it's all in there...