Flybe Dash emergency at LGW?
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Why couldn't they land their crock of s**t at Manston and cause less disruption to everybody else?
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Then why not Biggin Hill with Farnborough hospital just down the road and if airport fire cover were a problem then the local fire brigade would only take minutes to be on site.
To hell with engineering facilities compared to the costs to other operators of closing a major international airport with a diversion.
To hell with engineering facilities compared to the costs to other operators of closing a major international airport with a diversion.
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If a pilot comes on and tells me he has smoke in the cockpit and wants to land at particular airfiled which I know is suitable for that aircraft type, he goes to that airport. End of. Being on board the aircraft, I'm sure he's in a better place than me to know what to do with his aircraft. If he asked to land at an airfield which I thought wasn't physically suitable I might make suggestions based on distance to nearest airfield, weather, runway length, or fire cover, for example, but If I tried to force him to go somewhere else because of the cost of closing a runway for an hour and he ended up in bits in a field near Reigate, I would be up sh!t creek without a paddle.
The one exception to this is LHR where we are discouraged from offering it as a diversion aerodrome for emergency traffic because of the risks involved in putting a defective aircraft over a large area of population. However, in practice if a pilot declared an emergency and wanted to go to LHR, all I could do is offer him alternatives. If he still wants to land there, he lands there.
The one exception to this is LHR where we are discouraged from offering it as a diversion aerodrome for emergency traffic because of the risks involved in putting a defective aircraft over a large area of population. However, in practice if a pilot declared an emergency and wanted to go to LHR, all I could do is offer him alternatives. If he still wants to land there, he lands there.
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then the local fire brigade would only take minutes to be on site.
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Yes well done to the Flybe lads for getting it safely down on the ground, so what if they choose LGW or wherever else to divert, I would have done the same too, are some of these muppets on this forum for real?
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Getting totally p1ssed off with being called a "Spotter"
I re-iterate, if the Pax and Crew have breathed in ANY sort of fumes/smoke then they almost certainly should have gone to hospital for a check up, regardless of the source of the contamination. It is just plain old duty of care in my book.
But then.....................
Money speaks louder than "Lip Service" A very sad world we are all now living in.
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I re-iterate, if the Pax and Crew have breathed in ANY sort of fumes/smoke then they almost certainly should have gone to hospital for a check up, regardless of the source of the contamination. It is just plain old duty of care in my book.
But then.....................
Money speaks louder than "Lip Service" A very sad world we are all now living in.
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Well to be honest they'd still close the rwy with a pax evac on the exit taxiway I'd think, and if you're on masks with smoke are you really going to be thinking of vacating and keeping the rwy clear to allow other folk to make an approach. I'd agree if OEIO landing to vacate but not fuz smoke/ suspected fire. You don't dick around there. On ground. Off, people ok....egg on face public Pilot website armchair pondering later
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Boeing 77W - Manchester Airport, August 1985
Why put 46 passengers more at risk when you can just stop ASAP on the runway and then get the hell out of it. The Manchester disaster took only 60 seconds for the fuselage to be totally destroyed.
Why put 46 passengers more at risk when you can just stop ASAP on the runway and then get the hell out of it. The Manchester disaster took only 60 seconds for the fuselage to be totally destroyed.
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I'm starting to wonder about us as Pilots . We seem more worried about rwy occupation and hold ups than dealing with an emergency. That is presuming of course people posting criticism aren't just armchair sim dudes.
. We seem more worried about rwy occupation and hold ups than dealing with an emergency. That is presuming of course people posting criticism aren't just armchair sim dudes.
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In one's Sim checks would you win favour if, with a smoke, poss fire emergency you decided to taxy about clear of rwy or diverting to a p**s small airfield with local public fire cover (that may be putting out burning haystacks) to avoid delays at "Big old Gatwick". Doubt it 
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To all concerned
Forget your drinks party your friend diverted to BHX
This Aeroplane had an emergency which required an immediate landing which the crew undertook.
Does it matter how many aircraft were diverted to any airfield the Crew did exactly what they are trained for I E Land ASAP
It is with regret it caused the Airport to Close but what do u say to the Crew when they declare an Emergency
OH I SO SORRY WE HAVE OTHER AIRCRAFT WITH PASSENGERS ATTENTING COCKTAIL PARTIES SO U CANT COME HERE.
The Crew were very proffesional in what they did
So Please WHINGERS Go Away and Knock some other Airline or are FLYBE the only Airline to have had to Divert with Smoke..
Why is the D8 a crock of SxxT are u an expert if its a crock of SxxT why have DHC sold so many
Go away and play with your Toys Pathetic Person
I am surprised this thread has gone so far
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Please close it its Pathetic no lives Lost no damage to A/C I am sure it was something or nothing and it will probaly be flying again very soon
There we go I have said my lot
Good Evening
Forget your drinks party your friend diverted to BHX
This Aeroplane had an emergency which required an immediate landing which the crew undertook.
Does it matter how many aircraft were diverted to any airfield the Crew did exactly what they are trained for I E Land ASAP
It is with regret it caused the Airport to Close but what do u say to the Crew when they declare an Emergency
OH I SO SORRY WE HAVE OTHER AIRCRAFT WITH PASSENGERS ATTENTING COCKTAIL PARTIES SO U CANT COME HERE.
The Crew were very proffesional in what they did
So Please WHINGERS Go Away and Knock some other Airline or are FLYBE the only Airline to have had to Divert with Smoke..
Why is the D8 a crock of SxxT are u an expert if its a crock of SxxT why have DHC sold so many
Go away and play with your Toys Pathetic Person
I am surprised this thread has gone so far
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Please close it its Pathetic no lives Lost no damage to A/C I am sure it was something or nothing and it will probaly be flying again very soon
There we go I have said my lot
Good Evening
Flybe Pilots did great job, plane on ground, passengers safe.
Some people delayed but Big F Deal.
Lots of people not having to explain daddy or mummy is dead because some idiots didn't want to be late so plane with problems had to find somewhere else to land but crashed into a field.
Given thunderstorms over Gatwick later in afternoon I guess they were delays anyway.
Some people delayed but Big F Deal.
Lots of people not having to explain daddy or mummy is dead because some idiots didn't want to be late so plane with problems had to find somewhere else to land but crashed into a field.
Given thunderstorms over Gatwick later in afternoon I guess they were delays anyway.
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How about we arrange for smoke to fill a cabin and chuck you lot that are whinging in it. See where you'd like to go from there.
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Started work at 1pm to fly to SPU.
Delayed 3 od hours due to an emergency compounded by weather in the area.
This sort of thing can happen any day, any time.
Everyone gets home safely, that is our job, that is what matters. Nothing else.
Good Job Guys
Delayed 3 od hours due to an emergency compounded by weather in the area.
This sort of thing can happen any day, any time.
Everyone gets home safely, that is our job, that is what matters. Nothing else.
Good Job Guys
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I thought Manston had a nice wide and long runway suitable for emergency landings on foam for aircraft with collapsing gear?
At that time, I think the only other available airfield for foam landings was then CDG.
With regards to using LGW. Wouldn't it have been so much easier on all concerned if LGW had had a second runway to enable them to rapidly continue operations instead of causing chaos and 3 hour + delays.
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Bloody nuisance as my partner will be 3 hours late from Vienna and will miss half the concert tonight!
Why couldn't they land their crock of s**t at Manston and cause less disruption to everybody else?
Why couldn't they land their crock of s**t at Manston and cause less disruption to everybody else?
From an ATC perspective , yesterday was the worst day i can remember having at work for a very long time. Top job done by all, pilots and ATCOs.
Think ATCOs at Swanwick and the LGW & LHR towers did a fantastic job yesterday--the storms were really bad around here in the afternoon-and this didnt help at LGW after the earlier emergency,but an excellent job was done all round(Traffic was still going in and out of LHR way after midnight!!!)
We should be proud of our ATC here in the UK
We should be proud of our ATC here in the UK
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I'm surprised no-one's suggested Headcorn or Shoreham yet.
Fortunately, I've only ever had to use O2 masks in the sim, and it's not something I'd ever want to do for real. For those who have never had the experience (and judging by some of the comments here, that covers many of the 'contibutors' to this thread) it's an unpleasant and disorientating experience, and one that makes effective communication extremely difficult. And that's in the sim - never mind the real aircraft.
I say again - smoke and/or fumes in cabin and/or flight deck = land on nearest suitable runway. Briefing and setting up for an approach to an unfamiliar airport is a complication you can do without when it's an effort just to talk to each other.
Fortunately, I've only ever had to use O2 masks in the sim, and it's not something I'd ever want to do for real. For those who have never had the experience (and judging by some of the comments here, that covers many of the 'contibutors' to this thread) it's an unpleasant and disorientating experience, and one that makes effective communication extremely difficult. And that's in the sim - never mind the real aircraft.
I say again - smoke and/or fumes in cabin and/or flight deck = land on nearest suitable runway. Briefing and setting up for an approach to an unfamiliar airport is a complication you can do without when it's an effort just to talk to each other.