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SQ Pilots - Give ALPAS Your View

Old 8th May 2001, 15:52
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anito4a,

Your friend must be really "priviledged" because the PAP Govt says "voting is not a right but a priviledge", so even after he left Singapore, they certainly still want his vote. He must be the few who voted for them then. Every vote counts, I guess!
 
Old 8th May 2001, 21:37
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Nothing like freedom under a real democracy.

Reminds me of the moto on vehicle license plates in the state of, I think it is New Hampshire, 'LIVE FREE OR DIE'.

In early 1900s Singapore was the center for trading slaves. The West also made use of slaves, however, the West evolved. Lee Kuan Yew and his idiot son and Co. carry the tradition in a modern way masked by democracy. Just look at ALPA-S.

These guys make the mafia look like Disney Land.
 
Old 9th May 2001, 11:22
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twitchy

I agree with your sentiment of 7 May 2001 in which you say that
“It appears the whole game is stage managed here in SQ by few people. The members have no thought of their own. They all are so scared to air their views anywhere on the island. These so called people had created fear-psychosis in the minds of the pilots in January and once again in in May now. Wake up you guys have your own thoughts.”


Unfortunately all locals do seem to be frightened of their own shadows and are reluctant to air their views even in private conversation outside Singapore, let alone in the Republic! They do love to hear the ex-pat view, however, and rarely disagree with it. So I guess it must be something to do with conditioning over the years, which time and exposure to global concepts alone will correct.
 
Old 9th May 2001, 21:27
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Hello gents. Looks like "the expats" continue to air the grievences that "the locals" are too scared or too blinkered to notice. However, as in all disagreements, the extremists on both sides make life difficult for all. Arrogance on the side of SIA and greed of employees is a sure recipe for disaster.
To me, one of the most critical areas of discussion MUST be back dating of the commencement of the CA date. I find it disgusting that we have eaten 2 years into a CA which will for the convenience of the company be post dated so as to stop the workers ranting and raving for another 3 (but probably 4-5 years). I hear much support of the sincerity of Gen Bey. Is this justified or is his PR good. What are the "informal meetings" with him like?? Comments?
 
Old 10th May 2001, 05:41
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Having the pleasure of free Email here on my USA layover, and nothing else to do than looking at the miserable state of affairs with ALPA-S and management I just realised that the whole deal is out of the window again. One of the exco members stated that management is only willing to backpay from the 15th of December but using the signing date for May. How much longer are we goiing to be insulted and when are we getting serious about a solid reaction from our side. Or is it bussiness as usual, " PLease F**** me again, harder this time I love it!!!!!"
 
Old 10th May 2001, 08:35
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In the slot

You mention "Looks like "the expats" continue to air the grievences that "the locals" are too scared or too blinkered to notice".

I may be wrong but I think twitchy is a local and he's the guy I think you are refering to.

I agree with the rest of your post.

regards.

 
Old 10th May 2001, 22:30
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In all the frusration of negotiating and waiting, check out the thread "how much did you take home this month" in the Terms and Endearment section of PPRUNE. Salaries after tax. Multiply by 2.6 to Sin$ and take it from there!

 
Old 13th May 2001, 18:02
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.88M You seem to have changed your tune from a few posts ago on another forum encouraging almost pilots to come to the Lying City for a 747/777/340 rating. remember you have to stay 5years 4months before you can escape and there is no early remission for good behaviour!!! With all these ex generals joining who have seen what a bunch of tossers the locals are who turned down a good offer {forSIA} with 2.5 back pay now down the drain things can only get worse as these generals start rubbing our noses into hole these locals have dug for themselves. They had no strategy whatsoever after getting tanked up on beer and then voting the offer down on a show of hands as to what the next move could possibly achieve. They now know!!!
 
Old 13th May 2001, 22:52
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The agreement signed during the past week includes back-pay to December 1999.
 
Old 14th May 2001, 02:45
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addinfurnightem

Just confirm. Is that December 1999 or December 1998?
 
Old 14th May 2001, 05:19
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I understand nothing has been signed yet whilst the Company drafts its response to the request to commit itself to resolve the many other outstanding issues.

Signing may occur this week before the Business Meeting so the Company can tell its shareholders what a marvellous job they have done dealing with the pilots.



[This message has been edited by EasyGo-Lucky? (edited 14 May 2001).]
 
Old 14th May 2001, 08:47
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Dear Gypsy.
My tone hasn't changed much, but just offering another view of a bad situation of employment. Mainly for blokes who have only 767 / 737 rating and wish for a 777/340/744 rating do that they can work else where.
Why not. SQ has been giving "almost" free ratings to all non rated guys for decades now. Cheers
 
Old 14th May 2001, 10:07
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.88M There is no such thing as a free rating. As I mentioned on another thread when SIA took my $46000 bank guarantee for an even larger total one I assumed naively perhaps that I would get a 6% service increment each year until I reached the top scale and that this was set in stone. I also assumed in my ignorance that as I was expected to stay for 5years after initial line check that SIA having taken all this money from would in return pay me market rates. Those of us who joined in last 2/3 years have been well and truly shafted as we have been in dispute with SIA over new CA ever since I joined and the locals who voted out the ratification of the new CA in a show of venting their anger with their Company should have known that whilst principles such as that whilst admired to a certain extent, lead to nowhere as we will all find out soon to our cost.
 
Old 14th May 2001, 10:23
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Correct, 1998, my mistake.
That part of the "agreement" has been shaken on, the rest is still in the balance.
 
Old 14th May 2001, 14:00
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Rumour (very strong) has it that most of the 777 expats and a big number of expats on the other fleets have enough of the CA impasse and have some sort of very disruptive action planned with the help of some guys abroad who have been there before. What is the truth and when and what is happening or is it all smoke just before the announcement of the (healthy) profits.
 
Old 15th May 2001, 10:15
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Patrick Ho Why just the Expats??? What about you locals???!!!
 
Old 15th May 2001, 11:07
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Hey guys..
Today is the last day for the ALPA-S to sign the CA, if not today then it has to be decided in the IAC. Does anybody has the clue what is going on ? Thanks in advance
 
Old 15th May 2001, 17:56
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Rumour I heard was the CA signing will soon with an effective date of 15th Dec 2000. Back dated pay will be from the date of previous CA expiry date, some time in Dec 1998.
 
Old 15th May 2001, 18:17
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.88 of a balanced opinion. My son, FSBoeing charged the experienced Captains who converted 767/757 to 777 for the Korean contract 13000 USD (21000 SGD at the time) to type rate and Korean has NO BONDING AGREEMENT....ever entertained the thought of why? Like why are SQ's bonding agreement approx 50 K plus 200K surety? Trust me these figures are correct as my brother is one of the lucky few who got in to Korean when the window was open.
SQ are dead in the water until they deal with reality....with the likes of "Lnd Lghts" and "Established" in SQ to be seen on SE Asia forum you are desined to head south for the count until SQ management wake up.....furthermore the renumeration for the BNE/ PER/ SYD basings are an industry joke and will attract suitable candidates. I pray another TPE accident is not on the horizon but you do yourself no favours attracting such low experience levels as a result of poor conditions.
 
Old 16th May 2001, 01:34
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firewall. Landing Lights is blinded by his own lights!! He cannot tell fact from fiction.
 

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