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Air France A330-200 missing

Old 1st Jun 2009, 23:55
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Brazil media is reporting Senegal SAR teams have located wreckage...unable to confirm so far if the wreckage is indeed that of the Airbus.
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:01
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Lx 93 Gru-zrh

It would be interesting to know what the Swiss Air 343 experienced last night. The flight left GRU at 1835 local - arriving ZRH at 1100 local. Would have been in similar airspace and conditions in relatively close proximity.
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:08
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reauters is reporting a frnch minister quoting that the search has been pinpointed to within 10nm
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:12
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Brazialian Media report that wreckage of Air France plane found in Sengal waters

RIO - The Government of Senegal announced in the late afternoon of Monday, be located in their territorial sea which could be the wreckage of Air France plane that disappeared in the Atlantic Ocean with 228 people on board, on Sunday night. According to the Center of Social Communication of the Air, if the information is verified by the search teams, the responsibility for investigating the causes of the accident is now in France, a country that belongs to the airline for flight. The Brazilian Air Force (FAB) does not, however, the possibility of the two governments entered into an agreement to establish working together.

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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:13
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As someone who's flown an Airbus for the best part of two decades the terrorism possibility has been dismissed ridiculously quickly both here and in the media. It seems likely this jet came down pretty fast. How many times has weather brought down a big jet in recent years compared with how many times a bomb has?

I've no evidence whatsoever for this possibility, but neither is there for the other scenarios either. Bombs cause electrical failures and pressure loss too, even assuming the alleged ACARS messages are accurate. Of course AF aren't suggesting this - I'd blame it on the weather too if I were them.
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:13
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i'm just wondering where your reading or hearing this? My neighbour Aisling is one of the irish girls on the flight and her parents are just hoping the plane can be found, so they can see what happened and to help them get some closure.
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:13
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It has just been on the Brazilian news that TAM has officially announced that crew on a TAM flight from Paris to Rio de Janeiro spotted bright patches"fire" on the Atlantic Ocean surface about 1000Km from the archipelago of Fernando de Noronha around 30 minutes after the Air France A330 sent the electrical failure radio signal to Paris.

Here's the link of the story for anyone interested, G1 > Mundo - NOTÍCIAS - Piloto de rota comercial viu 'pontos laranjas' no oceano, diz Aeronáutica

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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:19
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saw it on reauters.uk internet site and they were quoting senior french minister jean-louis borloo who said "the zone has been identified down to within 10 nautical miles"
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:19
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It seems Senegal found the wreckage?
Senegal encontra destroços que podem ser do avião da Air France que sumiu no Atlântico - O Globo
I dont speak portuguese but its all over twitter at the moment.

Sincerely sorry for the families and relatives.
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:20
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We know nothing. Air France knows nothing. Why do people look at automatic ACARS messages of any part of this accident? The known thunderstorms in the IC area are well known. They knew it before they took off. Why take fragments of information and come up with lightning strikes, etc. We need to wait for some solid data. I am sure Airbus knows already the copilot used too much rudder. Cheap solution.
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:23
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Hanger 9,

"Plane crews have narrowed their search to a zone of a few dozen nautical miles half-way between Brazil and west Africa, said Pierre-Henry Gourgeon, chief executive of Air France."

BBC NEWS | Americas | Atlantic searched for lost plane
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:24
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Rushed Approach....the truth is nobody knows what brought this aircraft down...

Terrorism is far more unlikely (given the current political climate) on a French jet than on an American jet...but still possible....terrorism follows a cause (however they justify it)...it is just that in the current political climate, there is no cause against France in International politics....which makes a bombing unlikely, but still possible.

Weather is another factor...BOAC 707 at Mt Fuji springs to mind...an aircraft relatively new, yet was smashed by Lee Turbulence off Mt Fuji, no chance even for a MayDay. Other aircraft went past the area and did not report many problems, but again, it means nothing...I have seen many aircraft do missed approaches one after the other, then about 4 or 5 are able to come in when weather changes, and bang, all shut again, and no other aircraft can get in...unpredictable.

As someone who's flown Airbuses for a while, can you explain to those who have not, what the worst case scenario would be at that height, at .82 or .83 and what window of opportunity you have to regain control in the case of a violent upset?
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:30
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@ Rushed Approach
There has been a four-minute sequence of automatic messages indicating malfunction and/or failure of at least one electrical circuit, secondly to this hour there still has been no claim by any terrorist organization of an attack on the plane.
A terrorist operation, if not to be excluded at all, is at the moment a possibility that seems quite remote.
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:34
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Does the ELT work in deep water?
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:34
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We know nothing. Air France knows nothing. Why do people look at automatic ACARS messages of any part of this accident? The known thunderstorms in the IC area are well known. They knew it before they took off. Why take fragments of information and come up with lightning strikes, etc. We need to wait for some solid data. I am sure Airbus knows already the copilot used too much rudder. Cheap solution.
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Blubbers, what are you talking about. First you are saying "we know nothing" and then "I am sure Airbus..." Did you call AF and AB that you've solved the secret ? Oh man...
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:35
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Latest translation from Airfrance website, most of it probably irrelevent, but nethertheless;

Flight crew


Commander:

French
58 years
He joined the company in 1988
Qualified on the Airbus A330/A340 in February 2007
11 000 flying hours, including 1 700 Airbus A330/A340

Co-pilots:

French
37 years and 32 years
Joined the company in 1999 and 2004
Airbus A330/A340 qualified in April 2002 and June 2008
6 600 flying hours, including 2 600 Airbus A330/A340
3 000 flying hours, including 800 by Airbus A330/A340
Cabin crew



Purser:

French
49 years
He joined the company in 1985

Sr Cabin Crew

French
54 and 46 years
Joined the company in 1981 and 1989

Jr Cabin Crew

5 French and 1 Brazilian
Between 24 and 44 years
Entered the company between 1996 and 2007



Air France is able to confirm the nationalities of the passengers aboard the flight AF 447 of 31 May 2009, disappeared between Rio de Janeiro and Paris-Charles de Gaulle. This list has been established on the basis of information supplied by the Brazilian authorities.



1 South Africa
26 Germans
2 Americans
1 Argentina
1 Austrian
1 Belgian
58 Brazilians
5 Britons
1 Canadian
9 Chinese
1 Croatian
1 Danish
2 Spanish
1 Estonian
61 French
1 Gambia
4 Hungarian
3 Irish
1 Icelandic
9 Italy
5 Lebanese
2 Moroccans
1 Dutch
3 Norwegians
1 Filipino
2 Polish
1 Romanian
1 Russian
3 Slovakians
1 Swedish
6 Swiss
1 Turkish


A medical and psychological assistance, including 15 medical specialists has been set up at the airports of Paris-Charles de Gaulle 2 and Rio de Janeiro.


One hundred volunteer staff of Air France is reinforcing the team at Paris-Charles de Gaulle and Rio de Janeiro.
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:36
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The ELT will work anywhere...........

It won't be long now until the aircraft or wreckage is found.
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:37
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Tam has officially announced that crew on their flight from Paris to Rio spotted bright patches which looked like fire on the Atlantic Ocean surface about 1000Km from Fernando de Noronha only half an hour after the electrical failure radio transmissions made by the AF A330 computer.

Slán agus beannacht leat
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:38
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Good write up...

What happened to Flight 447? | U.S. | Reuters

A fair amalgam of all the info available, other than incorrect information about the plane's maintenance record (it's wing clipped an A320's tail on the ground a while back), and the conclusion about constant telemetry being a shaky if not flawed idea.
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Old 2nd Jun 2009, 00:46
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Tam Flight Crew Saw Flashes Near Air France Jet?s Final Signal - Bloomberg.com

By Heloiza Canassa

June 1 (Bloomberg) -- Tam SA said crew members of one of its flights saw flashes of light over the Atlantic Ocean near where a missing Air France aircraft last sent a signal.

Crew members were on the Tam flight to Rio de Janeiro from Paris when they saw the flashes about 1,300 kilometers (808 miles) from Fernando de Noronha island, Brazil’s second-largest airline said in an e-mailed statement.

The Air France jet sent its last distress signal approximately 840 kilometers from Fernando de Noronha, according to Brazil’s Air Force.
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