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Southwest Airlines jet catches fire after landing in Houston

Old 13th May 2009, 08:57
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can anyone advised how many CC onboard?
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Old 13th May 2009, 09:08
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From what one can see from the video this has been just another good job done: they gathered information on what had happened and what the actual situation was, they made the right decision to evac on the opposite side of the fire, they carried out the evac procedure in an orderly and disciplined way (you can see the speedbrakes being lowered and the engines being shut with the emergency lights coming on and after everyone was out the flight attendants controlling the crowd on the outside).

By the way a tire burst/fire has no indication in a 737 flightdeck making situation assessment and subsequent decisions a tough job that involves experience, skills and training.
Well done everyone!
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Old 13th May 2009, 09:58
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Three minutes is only a long time sitting in your armchair watching.

On the flight deck making an accurate assessment, then carrying out the procedure, then ordering the evacuation takes time. If the situation was clearly catastrophic it would have happened much quicker because the assessment would be easier and quicker. Ordering an evacuation is not something to be done lightly.

The fire services attended as quickly as I would imagine it was possible to do if you think about it.

Apart from the bozos evacuating with bags a nasty situation well handled on the face of it.
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Old 13th May 2009, 10:14
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Confiscate bags?

While there is no limit to human foolishness, it might be good if passengers who took their bags out in an emergency evacuation had them confiscated by security. A few well publicised cases (!) might be salutary.
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Old 13th May 2009, 10:19
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I TOTALLY agree with Tarjet and M.Mouse.

Job well done, let's for once not try to pick holes in the manner in which a crew dealt with a situation that was thrust upon them. They didn't have the luxury of watching it on video and i'm sure just got on with what they had to do in that circumstance. Nice one lads
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Delay in beginning evacuation

Some comments are critical of the time taken to begin the evacuation, about three minutes seems the figure. Pales into insignificance compared to the evacuation of QF1 at Bangkok, which admittedly had an inoperable PA system, which took about 20 minutes to initiate the evacuation as I recall.
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Old 13th May 2009, 10:30
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Well done to that crew but I hope efforts are made to track down the selfish pratt who effectively blocked the chute to gather his paperwork.
Jail is too good for that moron.
Well done again to the crew.
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Old 13th May 2009, 10:55
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Leave your bags! i think 1 in 3 people struggled with there bags!

and one stupid guy chasing his papers along the runway!

i cant believe that!
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Old 13th May 2009, 10:58
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I was just waiting for his papers to blow into the fire and really get it going! Muppet!
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Originally Posted by draughtsman99
Well done to that crew but I hope efforts are made to track down the selfish pratt who effectively blocked the chute to gather his paperwork.
Jail is too good for that moron.
Well done again to the crew.
Anyone who blocks an escape chute in front of me will find themselves very swiftly moved out of the way
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Old 13th May 2009, 10:59
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Originally Posted by bizdev
Looks like they used water to put out the fire - I thought that this was a no no with brake fires - can explode with thermal shock?
To put it simply:
Hot brakes=no water (natural cooling, fan, short bursts of water mist)
Wheel fire=plenty of water

For reference, see the bottom-right corner of page 7:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/air...ff/arff737.pdf

It seems that the tires on the right MLG had already deflated, so the risk of explosion was no longer a factor.

Any comment about the ARFF service response should take into account the time when the alarm was actually received.

BR,

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Old 13th May 2009, 11:06
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3 minutes can be broken down to a number of tasks:

1) WTF just happened?....Call tower re stopping on the runway & observe anything unusual..check wheel/eicam page.....call cc check for any signs? 1minute

2)preselect fire commander freq

3)grab emergency evac c'list and start

4)tower advises eta of fire commander... so far 2minutes passed

5)tower/fire commander/chief/cc notice flames from wheel(s)

6)announce evacuation

7)crew and ABP's evacuate..3minutes (which may feel like 30 seconds to the flight crew)
Well done!
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Old 13th May 2009, 11:29
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I hope efforts are made to track down the selfish pratt who effectively blocked the chute to gather his paperwork.
Jail is too good for that moron.
This only highlights a very common problem. Many people pay scant attention to the safety briefing. As a result when this sort of rare event takes place the individual goes into a panic/survival mode. Having not refreshed their short term memory with the vital information, their brain relies upon what it instinctively knows. Why do they show me how to fasten and unfasten a seatbelt? Because the one you instinctively fasten and unfasten every day is in your car, and it fastens and unfastens in a different location, and in instinctive mode, guess what you are going to try first! Likewise without paying attention to the modification requirements those same people will often instinctively seek the exit that they came on board by. They will seek to leave the aircraft with the posessions they brought with them. What was of value to them then, will remain so unless they have accepted a behaviour modification requirement.

This problem doesn't just lie with the passenger (although they are the ultimate beneficiary) the airlines themselves have no desire to impart any sense of fear in their customers, and so the emergency briefing is delivered in a manner that rarely attracts interest, or reinforces the imperative. This is day to day public transport, not a space shuttle launch. As ever it is a compromise. The people you see in this evacuation are in all probability, no different in their typical responses to many others, on any number of flights around the world.

People often do get hurt in evacuations, and this is one reason why their use is not advocated lightly. The need for an evacuation and the decision to undertake one, is often made after information from a number of sources is assimilated and processed. In a case like this it may very well involve communication and feedback from the control tower, emergency services, cabin crew etc. None of this happens in a split second, and normally takes much longer than the casual observer might imagine.
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Whilst I share all your concern about people that take their bags or other belongings during an evacuation, let's just accept it as an unfortunate fact. It happened here, it happened at probably every previous evacuation and it will happen again. Not sure what we can do about it without getting draconian.

However, if this person would delay me because they need to fetch their Prada bag or all important briefcase, I would not be terribly patient. To say the least.
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Thanks aerolearner
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Old 13th May 2009, 12:22
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Unless I'm missing something obvious, that took far too long.
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Old 13th May 2009, 12:33
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It's not just the passengers who sometime jeopardize an evacuation by wanting to take their bags........

FedEx Flight 647 Crash Evacuation - Video

Full load of jumpseaters......
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Old 13th May 2009, 12:45
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So many self-righteous posters here, all knowing exactly what to do and how they themselves would react in an emergency situation.
Well Iíve been in a few emergencies, including fires in my life and trust me, you know nothing until youíve experienced one.
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Old 13th May 2009, 13:45
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The thing that bothers me the most is that the guy with the papers going everywhere actually sends his stuff down the slide first, then goes down himself & then sits at the bottom while he collects everything. Even then he doesn't get it all & ends up chasing the papers towards the rear of the aircraft!!!

Some of the other passengers should sue him for endangering their lives by slowing down the evacuation.

And what was the F/A at that particular exit doing? There were quite a number of passengers with hand luggage.
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Old 13th May 2009, 13:48
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Info from Southwest

Now that things have calmed down, I have some more info for you. There was no advance notice of any problems, and the tire burst upon landing. The crew did not declare an emergency prior to landing. A lof of speculation may have been fueled by the one television station that was at the airport with cameras running at the time of landing, but they had no advance notice. Another television station, the ABC affiliate, had its helicopter returning to the airport at the time of landing. The aircraft was N371SW, which is currently out of service. It will not return to service until it is thoroughly inspected.

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