AA crash near JFK
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Latest pictures of the actual crashed aircraft. Courtesy of www.airliners.net
http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...gsearch=N14053
http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...gsearch=N14053
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Just looking at the CNN video of the engine that fell into the gas station parking lot...
The front of the nacelle appears to be facing the camera, the exhaust tailcone appears to be facing away from the camera. Some of the leading edge of the nacelle is visible but much of it is missing, suggesting a lot of damage to the front of the fan case. I also cannot see ANY part of the fan, it appears to be completely missing.
It is possible that a fan disk ruptured on this engine?
(Edited for a spelling error)
[ 12 November 2001: Message edited by: Flight Safety ]
The front of the nacelle appears to be facing the camera, the exhaust tailcone appears to be facing away from the camera. Some of the leading edge of the nacelle is visible but much of it is missing, suggesting a lot of damage to the front of the fan case. I also cannot see ANY part of the fan, it appears to be completely missing.
It is possible that a fan disk ruptured on this engine?
(Edited for a spelling error)
[ 12 November 2001: Message edited by: Flight Safety ]
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I'd say this sounds like a catastrophic uncontained engine failure rather than anything more sinister.
However, coming on top of the events of the 11th September, this could well do for American what Lockerbie did for Pan Am 1.
Commiserations to all our colleagues at American as well as the families of those killed.
However, coming on top of the events of the 11th September, this could well do for American what Lockerbie did for Pan Am 1.
Commiserations to all our colleagues at American as well as the families of those killed.
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Latest on TV was a witness who said the left WING fell off.
Wings don't fall off or course, they are blown off.
I think we should keep an open mind on the possibility that this was a bomb or a Stinger.
A decent sized pleasure craft in Jamaica Bay or just offshore could launch a Stinger, and then escape.
Stay tuned.
Wings don't fall off or course, they are blown off.
I think we should keep an open mind on the possibility that this was a bomb or a Stinger.
A decent sized pleasure craft in Jamaica Bay or just offshore could launch a Stinger, and then escape.
Stay tuned.
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CNN: "Witnesses said they saw an explosion on one side of the plane before the crash, but different accounts placed the explosion on different sides of the aircraft. Ethan Moses said he saw the aircraft burning from its left side, then the aircraft's left engine fell off.
"It tilted to the left slightly and it made a nosedive, straight down," Moses said."
Also from CNN website (re the BA share price dive) the crash ocurred at 9.17 EST. Given the speed with which bad news travels across financial networks and the necessity for fund managers to knee-jerk react to such new, the graph does not seem unreasonable.
The fact that the aircraft had just come out of maintenance could cut two ways. What better time to do something nasty? But I'm sure the FBI will be talking to one or two unfortunate maintenance engineers.
(End speculation)
"It tilted to the left slightly and it made a nosedive, straight down," Moses said."
Also from CNN website (re the BA share price dive) the crash ocurred at 9.17 EST. Given the speed with which bad news travels across financial networks and the necessity for fund managers to knee-jerk react to such new, the graph does not seem unreasonable.
The fact that the aircraft had just come out of maintenance could cut two ways. What better time to do something nasty? But I'm sure the FBI will be talking to one or two unfortunate maintenance engineers.
(End speculation)
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Thats a lot of hours on the CF-6-08, on the no 2 position, even by Americans Maintenance Schedule, I wouldnt like to be the engineer who signed the Release to Service yesterday!
What are the possibilities of T/R Deployment?
(Lauda comes to mind, no radio contact, and that spinner on that powerplant looks, very, very odd, whats it doing facing that way?
Whatever the reason, whatever the cause, God be with those people,the crew and their families.
What are the possibilities of T/R Deployment?
(Lauda comes to mind, no radio contact, and that spinner on that powerplant looks, very, very odd, whats it doing facing that way?
Whatever the reason, whatever the cause, God be with those people,the crew and their families.
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Nobody can yet know the story here. Fair to early for anything other than wild speculation. A prediction of what will happen though.
1) US Government Agencies will quickly realise that popular belief that this was a terrorist incident will have very serious implications for US econony generally and possibly catastrophic implications for the US and to a lesser extent worldwide aviation industry. They will publically at least be pushing the accident theory to death regardless of the facts
2) Meanwhile the conspiracy theorists will have a field day over the next days and weeks with ever more outlandish theories of how this was a terrorist incident.
3) Unlike most aviation accidents there is not an overwhelming public interest in knowing what happened here unless it was in fact an accident. As such I fear we will never be definitively and reliably told what happened here.
4) We have a choice. We can either get involved in endless illinformed speculation or we can mourn for the victims but otherwise let this one lie. I will be following the latter option
1) US Government Agencies will quickly realise that popular belief that this was a terrorist incident will have very serious implications for US econony generally and possibly catastrophic implications for the US and to a lesser extent worldwide aviation industry. They will publically at least be pushing the accident theory to death regardless of the facts
2) Meanwhile the conspiracy theorists will have a field day over the next days and weeks with ever more outlandish theories of how this was a terrorist incident.
3) Unlike most aviation accidents there is not an overwhelming public interest in knowing what happened here unless it was in fact an accident. As such I fear we will never be definitively and reliably told what happened here.
4) We have a choice. We can either get involved in endless illinformed speculation or we can mourn for the victims but otherwise let this one lie. I will be following the latter option
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OK, now that we have the basic news and the uneducated speculation is raising its ugly head I am putting this thread to bed before it gets too long and slows the already overloaded server any more.
I would like to remind all posterss that it would be in everyones interest if they would keep their speculations to themselves if they are not directly connected to our profession. Also, would the conspiracy theorists please find a more appropriate website. Due to capacity constraints on the PPRuNe server I would rather they went elsewhere.
I would like to remind all posterss that it would be in everyones interest if they would keep their speculations to themselves if they are not directly connected to our profession. Also, would the conspiracy theorists please find a more appropriate website. Due to capacity constraints on the PPRuNe server I would rather they went elsewhere.
