Hijack situation in Jamaica
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I guess hijackers are terrorists or "mental challenged" people.
In case the pilots leave from the airplane, wouldn't be possible for the hijacker to start shooting hostages until pilots come onboard?
In case the pilots leave from the airplane, wouldn't be possible for the hijacker to start shooting hostages until pilots come onboard?
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I guess hijackers are terrorists or "mental challenged" people.
In case the pilots leave from the airplane, wouldn't be possible for the hijacker to start shooting hostages until pilots come onboard?
In case the pilots leave from the airplane, wouldn't be possible for the hijacker to start shooting hostages until pilots come onboard?
1/ Yes they are.
2/ More likely a crack team of anti-mentally challenged police sharpshooters with guns a'chattering.
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Before leaving the Flight Deck, there are ways to make the Aircraft un-flyable.
The last thing you want, is the Aircraft 'in the air.' Short of a place like Jamaica, NO one is going to let an Airplane take off, in a post 9-11 world.
The last thing you want, is the Aircraft 'in the air.' Short of a place like Jamaica, NO one is going to let an Airplane take off, in a post 9-11 world.
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"Short of a place like Jamaica, NO one is going to let an Airplane take off, in a post 9-11 world."
Johnny767, what makes you think the Jamaican authorities would have allowed the plane to depart?
Johnny767, what makes you think the Jamaican authorities would have allowed the plane to depart?
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The following newspaper article explains what transpired. The "Jamaica Observer" is one of the Island's daily papers.
Surveillance cameras capture hijack drama
BY MARK CUMMINGS Observer West senior reporter
Thursday, April 23, 2009
MONTEGO BAY, St James
Contrary to reports that 21-year-old hijacker Stephen Fray slipped undetected through the Sangster International Airport's security system, security cameras recorded a rather different train of events.
According to the camera replay, Fray entered the departure hall and peered into the flight information display screen before approaching an AJAS representative at about 10:15 pm on Sunday.
"I want to leave the island on a flight," he reportedly told the surprised worker at the check-in counter, who informed him that he could not make it on the CanJet flight 918 destined for Halifax, Canada, because he did not have a ticket.
The representative then advised that there were no more scheduled flights for the night, before excusing herself through the staff entrance to the boarding gate to board legitimate passengers.
Undaunted, the slender Fray, dressed in a dark, long sleeved 'T- shirt and matching shorts, proceeded to the security checkpoint through the staff entrance.
He had no form of identification card nor did he carry hand luggage. When the security guards - all female - asked him for his travel documents, he pulled a gun from his waistband and barged past.
Within seconds, the frightened guards took evasive action and alerted the police who gave immediate chase.
However, Fray gained the advantage and within minutes boarded the aircraft where he held the 159 passengers and six crew members hostage.
Legal experts yesterday suggested Fray was aided - in part - by international civil avation rules which prohibit the discharge of firearms within the airport.
None of the passengers aboard the flight, who were released about 30 minutes after the ordeal started, nor the crew members who were held for about eight hours - were hurt.
The hijacker, who was taken into police custody, was up to press time still being interrogated by investigators. He has yet to be charged
Surveillance cameras capture hijack drama
BY MARK CUMMINGS Observer West senior reporter
Thursday, April 23, 2009
MONTEGO BAY, St James
Contrary to reports that 21-year-old hijacker Stephen Fray slipped undetected through the Sangster International Airport's security system, security cameras recorded a rather different train of events.
According to the camera replay, Fray entered the departure hall and peered into the flight information display screen before approaching an AJAS representative at about 10:15 pm on Sunday.
"I want to leave the island on a flight," he reportedly told the surprised worker at the check-in counter, who informed him that he could not make it on the CanJet flight 918 destined for Halifax, Canada, because he did not have a ticket.
The representative then advised that there were no more scheduled flights for the night, before excusing herself through the staff entrance to the boarding gate to board legitimate passengers.
Undaunted, the slender Fray, dressed in a dark, long sleeved 'T- shirt and matching shorts, proceeded to the security checkpoint through the staff entrance.
He had no form of identification card nor did he carry hand luggage. When the security guards - all female - asked him for his travel documents, he pulled a gun from his waistband and barged past.
Within seconds, the frightened guards took evasive action and alerted the police who gave immediate chase.
However, Fray gained the advantage and within minutes boarded the aircraft where he held the 159 passengers and six crew members hostage.
Legal experts yesterday suggested Fray was aided - in part - by international civil avation rules which prohibit the discharge of firearms within the airport.
None of the passengers aboard the flight, who were released about 30 minutes after the ordeal started, nor the crew members who were held for about eight hours - were hurt.
The hijacker, who was taken into police custody, was up to press time still being interrogated by investigators. He has yet to be charged
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"Short of a place like Jamaica, NO one is going to let an Airplane take off, in a post 9-11 world."
Johnny767, what makes you think the Jamaican authorities would have allowed the plane to depart?
Johnny767, what makes you think the Jamaican authorities would have allowed the plane to depart?
The aircraft was parked at Gate 7, and requires pushback from the gate.
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Thats right, most airlines aren't doing powerbacks out of the gate any more with reverse thrust like we did 15 years ago. The hijacker probably knew he couldn't get fired for doing it anyway. The crew did what any of us would have done and left the flight deck.
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"Before leaving the Flight Deck, there are ways to make the Aircraft un-flyable"
Johnny, what sort of action from the flight deck would make an aircraft unflyable? Pardon my ignorance, but I can't think of many short of sawing off the yokes, or punching out a forward windscreen. But tools would be needed for that.
Johnny, what sort of action from the flight deck would make an aircraft unflyable? Pardon my ignorance, but I can't think of many short of sawing off the yokes, or punching out a forward windscreen. But tools would be needed for that.
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Certain switches can be reset, circuit breakers pulled.
I don't think you can make all aircraft types un-flyable per se, but you sure can make an airplane difficult to get going for someone that doesn't have type specific knowledge.
I don't think you can make all aircraft types un-flyable per se, but you sure can make an airplane difficult to get going for someone that doesn't have type specific knowledge.
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Bubbers44, Reply#37:
I remember a case back in the early 1990s, when a psychartric challenged person (actually from what I remember, he was an escapee from a mental hospital) climbed over the barbed wire fence at Berlin's TXL airport, right beside the main security checkpoint and ran to a nearby parked Fokker 100 to smash it with a hammer he brought along, causing quite a bit of damage before he could be subdued.
The guy, apparently not aware of getting hurt by the barbed wire, climbed over the fence so fast that it took the security guards and cops at the checkpoint by surprise. They ran after him, but could not catch him before he caused damage.
Imagine this guy had had a gun instead of a carpenter's hammer.
Locking the bullet proof cockpit door and if able go out the windows makes the aircraft unflyable. Now the police can deal with it like a building hostage situation. Since 9-11 we don't do things like we did that day. I didn't agree with what we did then but had to do it because it was, then, procedure. This mentally challenged person got through Jamaican security on a plane with a gun. We shouldn't even be thinking of judging the crew on what they did. How did he get on the aircraft with a gun forcing them to fly to their scheduled destination? Next time just buy a ticket.
The guy, apparently not aware of getting hurt by the barbed wire, climbed over the fence so fast that it took the security guards and cops at the checkpoint by surprise. They ran after him, but could not catch him before he caused damage.
Imagine this guy had had a gun instead of a carpenter's hammer.
