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Guv,
Might I suggest that you immediately contact the appropriate authorites regarding the activities of an an organisation in Bisley, Surrey. They maintain a site on the Internet and even possess (shock-horror) GUNS in the UK!
They promote gun usage and possession as well as training in their use!
http://www.nra.org.uk/
Might I suggest that you immediately contact the appropriate authorites regarding the activities of an an organisation in Bisley, Surrey. They maintain a site on the Internet and even possess (shock-horror) GUNS in the UK!
They promote gun usage and possession as well as training in their use!
http://www.nra.org.uk/
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Check out this DECEMBER 4, 2000 article on Cockpit Doors.
Unsecured Cockpit Doors May Compromise Safety in the Air
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Unsecured Cockpit Doors May Compromise Safety in the Air
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Ignition Override, point taken. I fully agree that the psychotic and politically-motivated nuts are still out there however since September 11 we should view all hijackers as potentially suicidal. What is most disturbing is that the alleged hijackers of the four aircraft involved in the Sept.11 trajedy seemed to live normal lives and in no way showed signes of their radical determination. So how can you tell? The answere is simple you cannot, therefore we must see all hijackers as potential suicidal fundamentalists. Most importantly our industry must rethink training techniques for hijackings which take a more offencive role towards the hijackers along with extremely increased security screening procedures.
By taking out Bin Laden and the Taliban we have not resolved the global terrorist problem, this threat will not go away therefore aviation security will have to change for ever.
By taking out Bin Laden and the Taliban we have not resolved the global terrorist problem, this threat will not go away therefore aviation security will have to change for ever.
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Hi Glueball,
You make excellent points. I realize your job is difficult that is why I thought having a means of self defense available to you would put your mind at ease at this time. One thing however, I want to make clear is that I am not a pilot. I only signed on to this board to inform any one interested in this offer of defense that frontsight is making.
I don't feel pilots (or anyone) should be forced to carry a gun any more than I think any individual should be denied the right to carry one if they choose. I would be happy to come to your defense in an emergency if my right to carry a gun had not been taken away by the FAA or Airlines or whomever changed the laws. Many years ago it was not uncommon for carry on items to be rifles on their way to hunting trips!
I am not familiar with security measures in other countries, but currently in the US the methods being used are in my opinion not going to be of any deterrent to the type of terrorists that are willing to commit suicide in their endeavors.
Well, enough of my thoughts for now. I do appreciate your thoughts as they are thought provoking.
You make excellent points. I realize your job is difficult that is why I thought having a means of self defense available to you would put your mind at ease at this time. One thing however, I want to make clear is that I am not a pilot. I only signed on to this board to inform any one interested in this offer of defense that frontsight is making.
I don't feel pilots (or anyone) should be forced to carry a gun any more than I think any individual should be denied the right to carry one if they choose. I would be happy to come to your defense in an emergency if my right to carry a gun had not been taken away by the FAA or Airlines or whomever changed the laws. Many years ago it was not uncommon for carry on items to be rifles on their way to hunting trips!
I am not familiar with security measures in other countries, but currently in the US the methods being used are in my opinion not going to be of any deterrent to the type of terrorists that are willing to commit suicide in their endeavors.
Well, enough of my thoughts for now. I do appreciate your thoughts as they are thought provoking.
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A twenty year old deranged individual rushes from coach and at his first impact breaks through the cockpit door.
It is now nearly a month since the WTC tragedy. What has been done to protect the cockpit since then? The square root of F-all.
Despite all the political hot air the FAA and the airlines have followed their normal procedures. Talk a lot, do a little. We have been through a dangerous time. With the attack on Afghanistan we enter an even more dangerous phase.
What do we have for protection? The same undertrained security people and a lot of feel good speeches. I only know one other pilot who has seen a sky marshal in the last month!
It is now nearly a month since the WTC tragedy. What has been done to protect the cockpit since then? The square root of F-all.
Despite all the political hot air the FAA and the airlines have followed their normal procedures. Talk a lot, do a little. We have been through a dangerous time. With the attack on Afghanistan we enter an even more dangerous phase.
What do we have for protection? The same undertrained security people and a lot of feel good speeches. I only know one other pilot who has seen a sky marshal in the last month!
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Hey Superspanner, be very afraid - some of us screwball psychopathic gun freaks down at Brookwood are employed in aviation... 
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A solution appears to be the one used by El Al, which is the same as is used to control access to many high security buildings and installations within insecure buildings, such as data processing and communications areas.
Double doors. Each is reinforced and the first must be closed and locked before the second can be opened. This creates what is known as a 'man trap' between the two and can be used to isolate low risk individuals, although in a/c that is less likely!
If the attacker breaches the first door, he will certainly have drawn attention to himself.
I understand that El Al also have toilet and food areas on their side of the double doors.
[ 09 October 2001: Message edited by: PAXboy ]
Double doors. Each is reinforced and the first must be closed and locked before the second can be opened. This creates what is known as a 'man trap' between the two and can be used to isolate low risk individuals, although in a/c that is less likely!
If the attacker breaches the first door, he will certainly have drawn attention to himself.
I understand that El Al also have toilet and food areas on their side of the double doors.
[ 09 October 2001: Message edited by: PAXboy ]
