AA MD-80 drops engine parts on NYC
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I love the quote from the local politician . . .
Queens Borough President Helen Marshall said she's also seen this before, but said she's had enough and isn't buying the line that machines sometimes fail.
I love the quote from the local politician . . .
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Queens Borough President Helen Marshall said she's also seen this before, but said she's had enough and isn't buying the line that machines sometimes fail.
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Queens Borough President Helen Marshall said she's also seen this before, but said she's had enough and isn't buying the line that machines sometimes fail.
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Hm, I'm pretty sure the first version of that story mentioned bits of the engine also had hit or been found in the fuselage of the aircraft - I recall wondering what the guy sitting in the seat thought as the stuff hit the outside. But I don't see that in the linked news story now.
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– The left engine on a Delta Air Lines MD-88 failed on takeoff in Pensacola, Fla, in 1996, causing pieces of the engine to pierce the fuselage and penetrate the cabin, killing two of the plane’s 137 passengers.
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Hm, I'm pretty sure the first version of that story mentioned bits of the engine also had hit or been found in the fuselage of the aircraft - I recall wondering what the guy sitting in the seat thought as the stuff hit the outside. But I don't see that in the linked news story now.
but since you didn't hear it here let's go back to birds or a turbine blade to stretch out the thread.
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back in 97/98 a Sabena 732 dropping a collection of JT8 parts in front of Diegem church shortly after T/0 from BRU.
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The jet suffered engine failure taking off Wednesday from LaGuardia Airport and had to make an emergency landing at nearby Kennedy Airport. Pieces of one of the jet's two engines were found embedded in the fuselage, and other metal debris landed on the roof of a plumbing business.
So it looks like parts did at least hit the fuselage, if not penetrate it.
I also found this little tidbit interesting:
The Wall Street Journal, citing sources, said the plane had a history of engine problems and hadn't received follow-up work after discrepancies were spotted in fuel usage between the two engines.
In the case of Continental Flight 1404, which veered off the runway on takeoff in Denver, it was the WSJ (I believe the same reporter), who broke the news that crosswinds were being investigated as the likely cause of the accident.
Then when Colgan 3407 crashed in Buffalo, it was again the WSJ that broke the story:
Investigators examining last week's Continental Connection plane crash have gathered evidence that pilot commands -- not a buildup of ice on the wings and tail -- likely initiated the fatal dive of the twin-engine Bombardier Q400 into a neighborhood six miles short of the Buffalo, N.Y., airport, according to people familiar with the situation.
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The 727 dropped the engine near El Paso and continued one and a half hours to LAX thinking they had a simple engine failure. It would be interesting to read the log book entry and fix on that aircraft.
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Queens Borough President Helen Marshall said she's also seen this before, but said she's had enough and isn't buying the line that machines sometimes fail.
I do hope the brakes fail on her car sometime and she crashes unhurt into a sturdy tree.That will teach her that no matter how well maintained machinery is, it can fail ....stupid bitch should shut the f**k up on such issues, naive bint
Queens Borough President Helen Marshall said she's also seen this before, but said she's had enough and isn't buying the line that machines sometimes fail.
I do hope the brakes fail on her car sometime and she crashes unhurt into a sturdy tree.That will teach her that no matter how well maintained machinery is, it can fail ....stupid bitch should shut the f**k up on such issues, naive bint
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The carrier says the object could have damaged the engine's fan blades on an earlier flight.
Mr. Pratt & Mr. Whitney might have something to say about that. FOD should not cause an uncontained failure. Methinks AA is tossing out a red herring.
"he engine will not be inspected until federal investigators and representatives of Pratt & Whitney arrive at the airline's maintenance facility in Tulsa."
) in the logbook I suspect.
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"Contained" vs. "Uncontained"
Just for the record, a "contained" engine failure is simply one in which high velocity engine fragments are prevented from piercing the engine casings and radially exiting the sides of the engine, doing shrapnel-like damage to the rest of the plane, passengers, and anything else unlucky enough to be alongside the failing engine (as in News Shooters example of the Pensacola MD-88 engine failure). There's nothing preventing engine fragments from tumbling out the nozzle (or even the inlet) after the failed engine spools down.
Even though pieces of this engine rained down on the neighborhood below, this engine failure could very well be officially considered a "contained" failure if no high velocity pieces penetrated through the sides of the engine.
Even though pieces of this engine rained down on the neighborhood below, this engine failure could very well be officially considered a "contained" failure if no high velocity pieces penetrated through the sides of the engine.
