Delta Pilots Start Strike Countdown
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God; please let the Jet Blast "Who's up fer a public hangin'?!" vibe stay in the dark, musty basement where it belongs (or doesn't 
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411A is every bit as entitled to his opinion as those of you who hold more popular views... It's just his style, can't we have a lively debate without it getting snide?
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).411A is every bit as entitled to his opinion as those of you who hold more popular views... It's just his style, can't we have a lively debate without it getting snide?
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Hey mriya, take a chill pill buckaroo. I think 411a can take what little I,ve seen thrown at him. You his Momma?
Second, there won't be a strike. Big business has Dubya in their hip pocket, he owes them big time for his slim victory and he's going to be paying off for the next 4 years. A PEB only delays things for 60 days though, then Congress has to step in and they won't.
Second, there won't be a strike. Big business has Dubya in their hip pocket, he owes them big time for his slim victory and he's going to be paying off for the next 4 years. A PEB only delays things for 60 days though, then Congress has to step in and they won't.
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It is very unfortunate that certain negotiators for previous Delta contracts years ago allowed the company so much in the way of "scope", seeming to have the loosest contract "scope language" in the US industry.
Did their partner COMAIR not become one of the most profitable US regionals, very soon to have an all-jet fleet?
The company took advantage of the pilots' trust (from what I've read elsewhere) and definitely appear to have given away about TWICE as much narrowbody flying to their regional partners (based on seat miles etc), compared to what happened at AMR, United and NWA. If these comments are quite inaccurate, correct me.
I am not with Delta, but based on what I have read in contract comparisons between the "Big Four" (regarding scope, governance, job security...and Delta pilots seem to have demanded NO 'fragmentation' protection language in the past contract-you know, like when a company is chopped into pieces with no iron-clad job protection under US "labor laws", if you can call these laws by any stretch of the imagination), I can certainly understand a good bit of their resentment, if the status quo changed that much for their former DC-9 and 737 flying hours.
Should not serious concessions to one's company in good times or bad, whether in dollars, language or both, be rewarded by industry-leading pay and benefits, or at least equivalent terms in a side-letter or future contract? Maybe both sides can make some compromises and put it behind them before the summer travel season.
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Did their partner COMAIR not become one of the most profitable US regionals, very soon to have an all-jet fleet?
The company took advantage of the pilots' trust (from what I've read elsewhere) and definitely appear to have given away about TWICE as much narrowbody flying to their regional partners (based on seat miles etc), compared to what happened at AMR, United and NWA. If these comments are quite inaccurate, correct me.
I am not with Delta, but based on what I have read in contract comparisons between the "Big Four" (regarding scope, governance, job security...and Delta pilots seem to have demanded NO 'fragmentation' protection language in the past contract-you know, like when a company is chopped into pieces with no iron-clad job protection under US "labor laws", if you can call these laws by any stretch of the imagination), I can certainly understand a good bit of their resentment, if the status quo changed that much for their former DC-9 and 737 flying hours.
Should not serious concessions to one's company in good times or bad, whether in dollars, language or both, be rewarded by industry-leading pay and benefits, or at least equivalent terms in a side-letter or future contract? Maybe both sides can make some compromises and put it behind them before the summer travel season.
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Brad737,
As much as I'd like to help you out here--no can do on the "chill pill", buckaroo (I'd hate to fail a random whiz quiz on account of PPRuNe). Strictly as a matter of curiosity though, if I'm 411A's "Momma"... who's mommy are you?
Seriously though...
Best of luck in your negotiations; I don't see the mediation board granting you the concession of a strike--however legitimate your grounds.
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As much as I'd like to help you out here--no can do on the "chill pill", buckaroo (I'd hate to fail a random whiz quiz on account of PPRuNe). Strictly as a matter of curiosity though, if I'm 411A's "Momma"... who's mommy are you?
Seriously though...
Best of luck in your negotiations; I don't see the mediation board granting you the concession of a strike--however legitimate your grounds.
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Interestingly, in this case a 60 day delay might very well assist the Delta pilots. That is one of the reasons Dubya might NOT step in, atleast right away.
Delta is an interesting case, its never really been a union company, and I don't believe the pilots have ever been on strike. This might be a "press to test" of the rank and file.
But the main reason I could see the strike being allowed to procede for atleast a little while is that if Bush steps in right off the bad, the 60 day delay will simply move the strike to right smack dab in the middle of the high travel season, where it will be far more disruptive than it would be in the middle of April.
Cheers
Wino
Delta is an interesting case, its never really been a union company, and I don't believe the pilots have ever been on strike. This might be a "press to test" of the rank and file.
But the main reason I could see the strike being allowed to procede for atleast a little while is that if Bush steps in right off the bad, the 60 day delay will simply move the strike to right smack dab in the middle of the high travel season, where it will be far more disruptive than it would be in the middle of April.
Cheers
Wino
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Looks like Delta is confident that President Bush has telegraphed his intentions...
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Delta confident pilot strike won't happen
April 18, 2001
Web posted at: 12:22 PM EDT (1622 GMT)
ATLANTA, Georgia (Reuters) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. Chairman Leo Mullin said Wednesday that while he doesn't expect a quick settlement of the carrier's labor dispute with its pilots union, he is "virtually certain" that a contract will be reached without a strike.
In a conference call to discuss Delta's first-quarter earnings, Mullin said the No. 3 U.S. airline has been "in constant contact with the federal government, and has received 'constant reassurances'" that if Delta and the Air Line Pilots Association are not able to resolve the matter, the president would see that a Presidential Emergency Board is appointed.
"Every signal we have from the federal government is that if in fact an impasse is reached at the end of the 30-day cooling off period, the government will ensure that no strike occurs," Mullin said.
Delta and the union, which began labor talks in September 1999, are meeting Wednesday in Washington to continue negotiations with federal mediators. They are in the midst of a 30-day cooling-off period prior to a strike that expires April 29.
Mullin said it is highly likely that a labor agreement would be reached during the 60-day span of the Presidential Emergency Board, "since both sides will be highly motivated to reach such a settlement."
