A320 'severely damaged' at IST
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A320 'severely damaged' at IST
It happened while the Airbus was pushed back from the gate, when it however deteched from the pushback vehicle. It ran rearwards until it hit a lampost with force causing heavy damage to the tail and left stabilizer. There are no reports about serious injuries...
Referring to pictures, it seems that Atlasjet may have lost its first A320.
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Referring to pictures, it seems that Atlasjet may have lost its first A320.
check 'news' section at
J.A.C.D.E.C. - Jet Airliner Crash Data Evaluation Centre
cheers
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The bad news is that unless you have engines running, if you are travelling backwards and apply the brakes the aircraft will, likely as not, sit on it's tail, the only cure is forward thrust, which these guys probably didn't have.
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Who comes up with this nonsense about 'total loss'? Damage is superficial only! Any decent car repair shop could fix that. I would give it 2-3 weeks outside, rear pressure dome damage slightly more, but a loss? I don't think so. New stabiliser, tailcone (unimportant, non load bearing), APU....back on the road in less than 3 weeks! Does anybody seriously think the repairs to this shunt exceed scrap value of the aeroplane?
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The bad news is that unless you have engines running, if you are travelling backwards and apply the brakes the aircraft will, likely as not, sit on it's tail, the only cure is forward thrust, which these guys probably didn't have.
A321, full load, shear pin failed during push back, no engines running.
If you apply brakes very carefully you have a good chance to stop the beast within a few meters without tail contact.
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Doesn't look too bad to me, can't see it being a total loss. I'd give it a bit more than Rainboes local garage fix though
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Nonsense! A few new panels, and nothing a good Sears pop rivet gun and a bit of car body filler can't fix!
I discovered some bastard has already done that to my car! Nice paint job though.
I discovered some bastard has already done that to my car! Nice paint job though.
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Just make sure they use a double line of rivets if they're fixing the rear pressure bulkhead... Doesn't look too bad, I'm sure some of the catering truck incidents have done worse than that. If they can patch up the Gimli Glider and G-VSKY after landing with less than the regulation number of wheels, and the Swiss RJ at LCY, I'm sure they can fix this one.
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Like Hetfield said, you can stop the aircraft but you have to be very gentle
on the brakes or you will set it on the tail...had it happen on an icy ramp, with chocks in and engines off...ramp had a slope to it and the aircraft started rolling...just applied brakes very gently and the aircraft stopped.
on the brakes or you will set it on the tail...had it happen on an icy ramp, with chocks in and engines off...ramp had a slope to it and the aircraft started rolling...just applied brakes very gently and the aircraft stopped.
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I used to be a Line Training Captain on F27 Friendships based at Leeds/Bradford.
The beginning of R/W 32 at LBA was (maybe still is) decidedly uphill. It was a trap for the unwary, especially in strong headwinds. I would brief to apply at least some power before releasing the brakes for take off with the added comment that if it did roll backwards, DO NOT USE BRAKES but catch it with power.
In an earlier part of my career when I flew C130 Hercules, it was standard procedure after a reversing manoeuvre to stop the rearward movement with power and NEVER with brakes.
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The beginning of R/W 32 at LBA was (maybe still is) decidedly uphill. It was a trap for the unwary, especially in strong headwinds. I would brief to apply at least some power before releasing the brakes for take off with the added comment that if it did roll backwards, DO NOT USE BRAKES but catch it with power.
In an earlier part of my career when I flew C130 Hercules, it was standard procedure after a reversing manoeuvre to stop the rearward movement with power and NEVER with brakes.
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Have to say I don't think the tipping problem is as big as you might think. I've had this happen twice (320 & 319) and have spoken to 4 or 5 others on various types (744, 75/6) - all of whom stopped with judicious use of the brakes.
Sure, using the park brake to stop might do it, but does anyone have actual proof of an a/c ending on it's tail after a pushback problem? If it's such a problem, and shearing of pins happens fairly regularly, why have I never seen/heard of it happening?
Sure, using the park brake to stop might do it, but does anyone have actual proof of an a/c ending on it's tail after a pushback problem? If it's such a problem, and shearing of pins happens fairly regularly, why have I never seen/heard of it happening?
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Using the parking brake.
It happened to me once many years ago. After push-back the tug was disconnected without telling me, so, as the apron had a noticable slope, the aircraft started rolling backwards. At this point I already had my hand on the parking brake handle waiting for the signal from the ground to set it.
For some reason I looked out the side window and notice we were moving backwards and, as a pure reflex, pulled the parking brake handle. I can tell you as the nose came up there was a lot of 'Oh crap' being recorded on the CVR.
It seemed to take forever for the nose to drop again. A very uncomfortable feeling I can tell you.
For some reason I looked out the side window and notice we were moving backwards and, as a pure reflex, pulled the parking brake handle. I can tell you as the nose came up there was a lot of 'Oh crap' being recorded on the CVR.
It seemed to take forever for the nose to drop again. A very uncomfortable feeling I can tell you.
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There was a good one in the early days of the A320. Pushing back, shear pin broke, A/C kept going back, pilot said merde and applied the brakes, nosewheel left the ground. Computer said "we must be flying" and applied full power as we are to slow, you can finish the story!
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And yet another thread going to waste by people posting utter rubbish on the A320 who propably have yet to set a foot in its cockpit:
Alpha floor protection (as it is called on the Airbus) is inhibited below 100' RA, as the crew of the A320 in Habsheim found out, and right at the beginning of the A320 ops that was, too!
There was a good one in the early days of the A320. Pushing back, shear pin broke, A/C kept going back, pilot said merde and applied the brakes, nosewheel left the ground. Computer said "we must be flying" and applied full power as we are to slow, you can finish the story!
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DC3
In the link above - just below the A320 entry - did you notice the Colombian DC3...
"NOTE: This accident marks the the 2nd Turbo DC-3 hull loss in Colombia within a day and the 4th hull loss of a DC-3 in 2009.(three of them were Turbo DC-3s)"
Someone is having an 'ANNUS HORRIBLUS'
"NOTE: This accident marks the the 2nd Turbo DC-3 hull loss in Colombia within a day and the 4th hull loss of a DC-3 in 2009.(three of them were Turbo DC-3s)"
Someone is having an 'ANNUS HORRIBLUS'