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My initial reaction when I saw this thread was one of amazement. As a regular commuter into Manchester - albeit for normal office hours - I think nothing of having a 20 minute walk to the departure station, and then another of the same distance from Piccadilly to the office. Why, I thought could all of these highly paid people be complaining about having to wait for a coach from the west car park, when they could be having what probably will be the most exercise that they get in a day walking to their 'office'.
As time as gone on, the waters seem to have become slightly murky, and 411A has been attacked for his feelings on the subject. I am no wizard when it comes to figures, but surely there would be a lot of financial sense for flight-deck crew, I appreciate that cabin-crew are not paid quite so well, to make use of taxis - or limos for want of a better description - rather than have their car sit on a carpark doing nothing but depreciating. It might sound silly, but apart from the convenience of being able to drive from home to work, is there really any need for all those cars to be filling carparks? Would you not be better off leaving the motor at home, or even to sell it and use the money for another purpose?
Certainly, having spent 15 minutes cruising T1 multi-story yesterday afternoon looking for a space, it would help if MA plc were to provide an indication of where spaces might be found. At the end of the day it is the public who pay for all of our salaries, and they have as much right - if not more - to parking spaces as those who are employed at the airport.
I will now sit back and wait for all the flak to fly around. It's one of the fun things about an open forum - everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as they do agree with everything that I (meaning you) think!
Time to do some more gardening, before the weeds get so high that they become a menace to navigation in the Dyane hold.
Edited for grammatical purposes only - and still not perfect!
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As time as gone on, the waters seem to have become slightly murky, and 411A has been attacked for his feelings on the subject. I am no wizard when it comes to figures, but surely there would be a lot of financial sense for flight-deck crew, I appreciate that cabin-crew are not paid quite so well, to make use of taxis - or limos for want of a better description - rather than have their car sit on a carpark doing nothing but depreciating. It might sound silly, but apart from the convenience of being able to drive from home to work, is there really any need for all those cars to be filling carparks? Would you not be better off leaving the motor at home, or even to sell it and use the money for another purpose?
Certainly, having spent 15 minutes cruising T1 multi-story yesterday afternoon looking for a space, it would help if MA plc were to provide an indication of where spaces might be found. At the end of the day it is the public who pay for all of our salaries, and they have as much right - if not more - to parking spaces as those who are employed at the airport.
I will now sit back and wait for all the flak to fly around. It's one of the fun things about an open forum - everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as they do agree with everything that I (meaning you) think!
Time to do some more gardening, before the weeds get so high that they become a menace to navigation in the Dyane hold.
Edited for grammatical purposes only - and still not perfect!
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Scottie Dog - well said couldn't agree more !
I ended up yesterday parking in the Refuge at the end of T1 MSCP in Tower Road and waited for someone to call me to move my car. It never came !
Today it's slacker but I cannot help feeling that someone needs their bottom kicked for the shambles which has resulted from deciding to re-surface a major car park in the middle of the May Bank Holiday half term break when the airport is potentially at its busiest.
Why didn't the contractors do it during the winter when they were laying down T2 ?
You want to try renting an office in the new Ground Transport Interchange !
I ended up yesterday parking in the Refuge at the end of T1 MSCP in Tower Road and waited for someone to call me to move my car. It never came !
Today it's slacker but I cannot help feeling that someone needs their bottom kicked for the shambles which has resulted from deciding to re-surface a major car park in the middle of the May Bank Holiday half term break when the airport is potentially at its busiest.
Why didn't the contractors do it during the winter when they were laying down T2 ?
You want to try renting an office in the new Ground Transport Interchange !
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Scottie Dog,
We must remember that the car parking problem does not only affect the Flight Deck. Yes a twenty minute walk will not hurt any of us, even at 3 o'clock in the morning. But what about cabin crew, are we advocating this for the young ladies, and chaps, who also form part of the crew. I know for a fact that there has been at least one assault on the way to the Staff car Park in the early hours at LGW, and I think also at MAN. There is a safety issue here as well, but I suppose it is more dark unsupervised car parks that are the problem, rather than the distance from the office.
We must remember that the car parking problem does not only affect the Flight Deck. Yes a twenty minute walk will not hurt any of us, even at 3 o'clock in the morning. But what about cabin crew, are we advocating this for the young ladies, and chaps, who also form part of the crew. I know for a fact that there has been at least one assault on the way to the Staff car Park in the early hours at LGW, and I think also at MAN. There is a safety issue here as well, but I suppose it is more dark unsupervised car parks that are the problem, rather than the distance from the office.
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Scottie Dog,
You make a fair point about office workers walking to their places of work.
How many office workers also have to drag around a 40lb kitbag and a suitace with enough clothes for their trip?
Not everyone does turns. And not everyone can get away with a pair of flip flops and a speedo!
Exercise is great but be a little reasonable.
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Dallas, good point. Some are lugging a large case and a work bag about and upon returning to MAN after positioning in from a flight terminating somewhere else, often having been up for 24 to 30 hours the journey to the car park begins. MAN is the worst base I have been to for staff parking. LGW is not ideal but at least the bus service is more frequent has 'proper' shelters etc.
However, I am please to see that the 1/2 hourly timetable seems to have given way to every 15 mins at 0400 but it is still very frustrating to arrive at the carpark in plenty of time only not to be able to get on the bus as it's full so you have to aim at the earlier one and some of us do not live locally, in fact upto 80 miles is common thus a taxi is also out.
Additionally I have found that the drivers are courteous and friendly, no complaints there but I agree that this has become a FDP issue, more so for those on Min rest.
However, I am please to see that the 1/2 hourly timetable seems to have given way to every 15 mins at 0400 but it is still very frustrating to arrive at the carpark in plenty of time only not to be able to get on the bus as it's full so you have to aim at the earlier one and some of us do not live locally, in fact upto 80 miles is common thus a taxi is also out.
Additionally I have found that the drivers are courteous and friendly, no complaints there but I agree that this has become a FDP issue, more so for those on Min rest.
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MAA plc, in response to issues raised by various companies operating at the airport, have announced that the bus frequency to staff car parks will be increased from every 15 minutes to every 7.5 minutes.
Those people still utilising car park 2 will not have to change car parks until the improved frequency is introduced.
The fact that they need the land car park 2 is on for the rail station extension suggests to me that the new frequency will be introduced sooner rather than later.
ps. BillTheCoach, was that your flash BMW I ended up parked next to down by the pay booths ??
Regards
Those people still utilising car park 2 will not have to change car parks until the improved frequency is introduced.
The fact that they need the land car park 2 is on for the rail station extension suggests to me that the new frequency will be introduced sooner rather than later.
ps. BillTheCoach, was that your flash BMW I ended up parked next to down by the pay booths ??
Regards
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Out of interest is there a Staff Council or similar representative group who is able to interface with MAPLC with regard to staff parking? I for one am incensed at the lack of forethought and commonsense when it comes to parking. I am not normally mililant or a whinger who expects to be able to park right outside the office but there are many safety issues involved as well. It started with the ridiculous placing of the bus stop at Staff West when it first opened & how long did it take to move it to its existing spot at the apex of the turning circle. Why does the bus not pass around the perimeter of the car park to aid those who are now a significant distance from the stop. Why do they insist of having the exit flow of traffic pass throught the middle of the Long Stay park instead of around the perimeter. It just all smacks of inefficiency and poor planning and implementation. There are good ways and bad ways of achieving the same goal.
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Re Greek Gods comments,
After years of observation the only working forum that exist's between the Airport and it's staff consists of a giant bulldozer and 10 forward gears. Anybody that gets in the way of the mighty machine is run over. You try to voice your opinions and concerns and you WILL be gagged. You try to put forward reason and you will be re-buked. Many 1000s of people work there on a daily basis. And yes we all understand that many millions of people fly out every year. The Airports most
valuable ASSET is its WORKFORCE.So lets try to treat the workforce with the respect that it deserves and dont treat them like a bunch of Schoolchildren. WITHOUT PILOTS, GROUNDCREW PLUS ALL SUPPORT SERVICES WE WOULD NOT HAVE AN AIRPORT.
BUT LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE. WE WOULD HAVE A BIG CARPARK.
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After years of observation the only working forum that exist's between the Airport and it's staff consists of a giant bulldozer and 10 forward gears. Anybody that gets in the way of the mighty machine is run over. You try to voice your opinions and concerns and you WILL be gagged. You try to put forward reason and you will be re-buked. Many 1000s of people work there on a daily basis. And yes we all understand that many millions of people fly out every year. The Airports most
valuable ASSET is its WORKFORCE.So lets try to treat the workforce with the respect that it deserves and dont treat them like a bunch of Schoolchildren. WITHOUT PILOTS, GROUNDCREW PLUS ALL SUPPORT SERVICES WE WOULD NOT HAVE AN AIRPORT.
BUT LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE. WE WOULD HAVE A BIG CARPARK.
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I am sure that the airport has plans to improve things for us when they close Staff West by 2005 to convert that area to an apron for the T2 extension.....trouble is, I am not sure that the Airports definition of "improvement" matches that of the staffs!
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TheSlugMan---
Typical reaction by a "pilot". Well now, if it was not for the airport, there would not be a need for the pilot. And the airlines and passengers provide business, it is not just "pilots" that lead the parade, altho some like to think so.
BusBoy---
80 miles away....ever thought of moving closer? Or is this idea beyond your small mind? Oh forgot, probably another pilot.
Typical reaction by a "pilot". Well now, if it was not for the airport, there would not be a need for the pilot. And the airlines and passengers provide business, it is not just "pilots" that lead the parade, altho some like to think so.
BusBoy---
80 miles away....ever thought of moving closer? Or is this idea beyond your small mind? Oh forgot, probably another pilot.
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160to4DME,
I don't drive a BMW so it was probably a captain's car !
Anyway I park in T1 MSCP (MAPLC permitting) altho that last week I very nearly handed the security guy my keys and told him to park it.
It's much quieter this week altho T1 was brought to a standstill by the guys fitting the new fire alarms setting them off and ruining Wythenshawe and Cheadle Hulme Fire Station's lunches !
I don't drive a BMW so it was probably a captain's car !
Anyway I park in T1 MSCP (MAPLC permitting) altho that last week I very nearly handed the security guy my keys and told him to park it.
It's much quieter this week altho T1 was brought to a standstill by the guys fitting the new fire alarms setting them off and ruining Wythenshawe and Cheadle Hulme Fire Station's lunches !
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Sledge,
You would be amazed at who reads this !
Blackbush,
Good to see u last nite and put a face to the name - does it qualify as a pPrune bash ?
I agree with your comments about security - will there be a new delay code for
" Flightdeck delayed at Security Point " - suggestions please for the 2 letter code
You would be amazed at who reads this !
Blackbush,
Good to see u last nite and put a face to the name - does it qualify as a pPrune bash ?
I agree with your comments about security - will there be a new delay code for
" Flightdeck delayed at Security Point " - suggestions please for the 2 letter code
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In all the postings on the topic I have to say Largejet on 25 May has best got his head around it. I go to whichever car park the Airport Mafia send me to a resonable time before departure & if their people can't get me to the crewroom in time for my report time then 'Airport Facilities' is the delay code.
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The next rumour is that they charter a white tail 747/MD11/DC10 and taxy it round to the various terminals to drop every one off. Good idea I thought. The only problem would be getting a tug from Globeground/ Servisair/BA to do the pushbacks. Tee hee.
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Any more sardines for the can
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411A
I see from your profile that you are not so close to Manchester either! Indeed your seem to be quite some way from the UK. If you have ever tried to find work as a pilot in UK you might know that it is rarely a sensible move to 'up family and home' to follow the job. Many of us have suffered job losses of one kind or another and the choice we have for re-employment seldom takes into account where we live. As a consequence we accept lengthy journeys to and from work a necessity.
I work from Manchester which is 100 miles from home, and, in the last 12 years its the shortest distance that I've had to travel!
I accept it as part of the job, but it would be nice if the airport that I operate from, (and therefiore help to bring revenue back into) might just help me with a little matter like car-parking.
I see from your profile that you are not so close to Manchester either! Indeed your seem to be quite some way from the UK. If you have ever tried to find work as a pilot in UK you might know that it is rarely a sensible move to 'up family and home' to follow the job. Many of us have suffered job losses of one kind or another and the choice we have for re-employment seldom takes into account where we live. As a consequence we accept lengthy journeys to and from work a necessity.
I work from Manchester which is 100 miles from home, and, in the last 12 years its the shortest distance that I've had to travel!
I accept it as part of the job, but it would be nice if the airport that I operate from, (and therefiore help to bring revenue back into) might just help me with a little matter like car-parking.