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De-Iceing in KIAH

Old 15th Jan 2009, 02:19
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De-Iceing in KIAH

I was operating out of Houston, TX, (KIAH) this morning and due to frost we asked ops for a spray.

Since there is no info in the Jepp manual for de-icing in IAH (at least not in my Jeps) I had to ask how such an operations is conducted. I would appear that the answer is 'with some confusion'.

It took only half an hour for a truck to arrive and have the deed done - long enough to have a good listen on the ramp and ops freqs.

Listening to the radio is would appear that there were several other people at IAH this morning (air crews, ground crews, ops controllers, ramp control) that also had never seen a spray operation. Here's to all the guys in the spray truck - good job but next time it would be better to have better communications than a "thumbs up".
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Snow in PVG or even NRT causes similar confusion...
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Amazing that KIAH had any idea of deicing!

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Deicing in KLAS

Even worse in Las Vegas when they had their snow last month. Hours delay awaiting service. Once the folks arrived, the deice gear they had was of insufficient pressure to move the snow off the wings. So they resorted to mechanics with push brooms walking the wings, followed up by a spray.

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You want to try it in St Lucia!
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Old 20th Jan 2009, 08:01
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Best de-icing ever, in my opinion, Anchorage.

Copehagen and Paris are pretty good too.
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If Bangkok need a de-icing team I'll volunteer
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Old 20th Jan 2009, 10:32
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The wonderful facts of PANC de-icing is all fluids drain directly into Lake Hood. The new plan is for a drain to take it all into the Knik Arm.

What price the environment in Alaska.
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Old 20th Jan 2009, 21:32
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Well, given the size of Alaska, versus the smallness of the population that might pollute it, I would have thought the effect of the de-icing fluid that actually runs off into the drain would be minimal, there again, I'm no "Greenie"!
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The best deicing I ever heard of:

n 1991, the town gained exposure to the Western world with the inauguration of Alaska Airlines flights to the United States using McDonnell Douglas MD-80 jets. According to an anecdotal story published in the New York Times, the first Alaska Airlines flight needed deicing services, which were unavailable, so the flight crew acquired a quantity of vodka and sprayed it onto the wings[1].
from Wikipedia on Magadan, Russia
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Old 21st Jan 2009, 03:35
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Are you kidding? I fly off of lake hood, the fluid does not drain into the lake. Are you on something?
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Old 21st Jan 2009, 14:24
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Amazing that KIAH had any idea of deicing!
I am as well. How many times would deicing be needed in Huston, once or twice every five years or so? In forty years of flying to Houston I can never remember ever needing any type of deicing.
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Old 21st Jan 2009, 19:21
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Cessna,
I've been told that by engineering in PANC. How well does Lake Hood freeze these days?
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Old 22nd Jan 2009, 19:01
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considering my bird is out of the water cause its frozen, Id say it freezes pretty good. I can include a picture if you'd like?
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Old 22nd Jan 2009, 19:09
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See guys and girls, this is why these message boards have no validity. "the deicing fluid from PANC drains into lake hood" where do you guys get this crap? I love the smart ass comment about the frozen lake hood. Dude, its frozen solid. Are you on something? Do you really think that us "americans" are that caviler about polution? Have you been to Bejing or anywhere in India lately? Take a step back and think with some sense. Geez
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Just tell me where the de-icing/anticing fluid goes. Places like YYZ recycle their fluid, charge extra for that and then re-sell it to the airlines. Does PANC have an unfillable resevoir of used fluid. I think not.

Tell me exactly what they do with it and I will stand corrected but until then I'll beleive what I was told by the staff working there.
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I'll tell you what, I am working a trip through there in about three days, I will ask directly and let you know but I can assure you, It is NOT dumped into the environment. Really? come on,
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Please tell what you found out about PANC de-icing?
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Fluid

Ok there hot shot, keep your pink panties on. When I got there it was 3am, I had been on the airplane 23 hours, I had the start of the flu and just didnt feel like taking the time to ask. Not to mention deicing was not in service. WX was real nice. I promise, I will ask so your little pink panties dont get all bunched up. I promise though there big guy, it does NOT go into lake hood. You really must think us "americans" us "john waynes" are really that stupid. Tell me something, does what your saying even make sense to you? Considering how nasty that fluid is?

Geez homes, lighten up. When I find out, you'll find out there little "buddy"
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Old 5th Feb 2009, 23:10
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Wtf??? Holy Crap

BusyB,

I totally owe you an apology. Holy Crap, I just got off the phone with a buddy of mine that is involved in field mx up there. To my extreme disappointment, you are correct. I am shocked! and frankly angry, it does infact drain into the lake, in a dilluted form but non the less, in the lake. I was totally wrong and am big enough man to admit it. Im shocked, that fluid is really really bad, Its my understanding that they are in the process of evaluating alternatives, such as recycling it which I wouldnt tollerate anything less. Its also my understanding that the EPA will be putting new rules in affect this year that will stop this.

You were right, I was wrong, however I still think you where pink panties, MADE IN CHINA.

Good call O'le chap. One for the queen.
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