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Old 21st Jan 2009, 12:37
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No I only drive the aircraft but have noticed the more important the bulb the longer it takes to get a new one. And also the more important the bulb the less they carry in stock and if its mission critical they won't carry a spare.

The other thing that seems obvious to me is that if you install a double unit with 2 bulbs of the same batch the likely hood is they are going to fail at the same time. So you swap one of them after a month and carry 2 in stock. This then gives you at least 2 weeks to get more in.

But if you suggest concepts like this you get blank looks and "why do you want us to change a working bulb?" And bulb can be swaped for any unit mechanical or electrical which is a consumable unit.
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Old 21st Jan 2009, 13:10
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Originally Posted by OverRun
Mostly, airports have more than one runway, and can then close one runway
Certainly here in the UK very few airports have two jet-capable runways, probably no more than half a dozen in all in the whole country, and the few that do have them generally have no ILS etc. Quite different to the situation in the USA for example. Many places used to have more, but have squeezed down to the minimum due to the commercial people thinking it can all be done with a minimum of investment. Which is probably where we came in .......
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Old 21st Jan 2009, 17:01
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Quick 180 'n backtrack to post #53 Musket90, if I may.

Looking at the AAIB report I read it that the contractors downed tools for the 2006 Xmas break leaving "The Patch" exposed until their planned resumption in the new year. It was in that boring bit, between Boxing Day and New Years Eve, when you've played with all the kids pressies, fallen out with the in-laws and been to the Saturday football match that the major off's occured.

Had the contractor adjusted the programme to leave the runway with no Patch we probably wouldn't have anything to gossip about, but hey isn't hindsight wonderful.

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Old 21st Jan 2009, 21:51
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Originally Posted by Sir George Cayley
Looking at the AAIB report I read it that the contractors downed tools for the 2006 Xmas break leaving "The Patch" exposed until their planned resumption in the new year. It was in that boring bit, between Boxing Day and New Years Eve, when you've played with all the kids pressies, fallen out with the in-laws and been to the Saturday football match that the major off's occured.

Had the contractor adjusted the programme to leave the runway with no Patch we probably wouldn't have anything to gossip about, but hey isn't hindsight wonderful.
I'm sure the contractors would have been delighted to have carried on working through this time, just as contractors (possibly the same ones) do on the railway at such times. The fact is that the mainstream UK construction industry shuts down for two weeks over Christmas/New Year (giving that big boost to travel aviation gets to Ireland and Poland at that time), and any works done during that time is with labour paid at a premium rate, which of course would have added to the price quoted. It's not just the contractors on site, but all the materials delivery plants for bulk concrete and asphalt, and the truckers, etc, that you need to keep open.

And yes, contractors are used to organising this sort of premium-rate work. It's actually more profitable for them than regular work, and many of their men like the extra money. But was the client at the airport owners prepared to pay that premium to continue work over this period ? You've got your answer.
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Old 22nd Jan 2009, 07:38
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The Christmas/New year holiday is irrelevent. When safety critical assets like runways are being resurfaced the planning, programming and method of works of these type of projects should ensure that when the runway re-opens after each works period, whether it be a few hours or a few weeks, that it is in a safe and operational condition that meets CAA requirements. Maybe the weather affected the works plan resulting in the "patch" appearing on the run up to the holiday. The works plan should be reviewed constantly to ensure that it meets the safety requirements, particularly on the lead up to holiday periods, so situations like this do not occur.
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