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The merged Delta/NWA list is out.

Old 9th Dec 2008, 07:23
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The merged Delta/NWA list is out.

Somebody showed me the brand-new list, along with the arbitrators' methodology/opinions, and they are interesting.

It consists of about 12,500 pilots.
A very limited percentage are on military or long-term sick leave etc.
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Old 9th Dec 2008, 07:53
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Is it possible in simple terms to give a synopsis on how they were integrated. I assume it is not date of hire. Did the NWA pilots get the stinky end of the stick, or was there an equitable method (canít think of one) used.
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I'll give it a whirl! Please keep in mind, this is second hand from a friend who works there.

Top 274 NWA pilots removed. Due to age disparity with DAL.

Anyone out on SLOA more than 12 months removed.

Bottom 48 Dal pilots removed. Then reattached at bottom of list.

Pilots divided as wide body Capt & f/o and narrow body Capt/ f/o. Ratios devised by arbiters used to create list.

Top 274 NWA pilots "plugged in" a position one number senior to the NWA pilot that was one number junior to them on the pre-merger list. Same with SLOA pilots.

DAL pilots frozen off 747-400, 787(assuming they ever arrive) for 5 years. Exception: not enough NWA bid to fill vacancies. In that event DAL pilot is first one bumped in the event of surplus canx.

NWA pilots frozen off B777 for 5 years. Exception: see DAL pilots 747 above.

There is a point up to the award of the new operating certificate where if furloughs occur, the order will be determined by the previous list depending on which a/c drawdown precipitates the furlough. After the award of the new operating certificate it's inverse seniority off new list.

Hope that's simple enough!

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Thanks for the feedback. In a merger it seems like both sides have to feel equally screwed in order for the thing to work out. Would be interesting to get some feedback from individual pilots (ex-NWA and Delta pilots) to see how it will impact them. Does it open opportunities or close a lot of doors. But I am sure there arenít enough guys on here that can answer that one.
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Seems quite reasonable to me and....with the combined carriers, they are in a really strong position to prosper (all pilots, and the company).

I wish 'em well.
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In asia, the competitive disadvantage for them, as with UA and CO, are their senior, mostly lazy, do-nothing flight attendants. Generally, inflight service is practically zero. Pax see those old, potato shaped grandmas serve the first meal, then disappear behind the curtain in the galley for the next 10 hours before coming alive again to serve the 2nd meal just prior to landing. Heaven forbid that you would ring the call button in the dead of night mid Pacific; a tired granny will come wobbling down the aisle and give you a dirty look. At asian carriers, cabin hosties are rare at age 30, completely gone at age 40.
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At asian carriers, cabin hosties are rare at age 30, completely gone at age 40.
I always wondered where do they go?? and why don't US hosties go the same way?
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I always wondered where do they go?? and why don't US hosties go the same way?
For US hosties...Unions keep 'em employed.
A big mistake.
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I've been around for over 40 years, and I have to say that the worst old CC hags are with AA, DL, NW how the **** they keep their jobs (apart from shagging the local union rep) is beyond me. If our CC behaved with such distain and rudness, they'd not be working.
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Not like BCAL then.
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In asia, the competitive disadvantage for them, as with UA and CO, are their senior, mostly lazy, do-nothing flight attendants. Generally, inflight service is practically zero. Pax see those old, potato shaped grandmas serve the first meal, then disappear behind the curtain in the galley for the next 10 hours before coming alive again to serve the 2nd meal just prior to landing. Heaven forbid that you would ring the call button in the dead of night mid Pacific; a tired granny will come wobbling down the aisle and give you a dirty look. At asian carriers, cabin hosties are rare at age 30, completely gone at age 40.
I've been around for over 40 years, and I have to say that the worst old CC hags are with AA, DL, NW how the **** they keep their jobs (apart from shagging the local union rep) is beyond me. If our CC behaved with such distain and rudness, they'd not be working.
Absolutely true, I don't mind the FA's on Pac Rim routes being elderly but some of them have attitudes that are unbelievable. This stuff wouldn't last long at an Asian or Middle Eastern airline. No wonder SQ is booked months in advance on some routes.
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ok

it should have gone date of hire and all pilots are screwed unless it is date of hire. the most experienced pilots should be in the left seat, left seat is by virtue of seniority/DOH.

as to older f/a's...if you want young, cute f/a's, pay more for your ticket, have the extra money go to a buyout of f/a's at age 40?

if their attitudes suck, use the following checklist:

say please and thank you, smile and look them in the eye.

report them to the senior fa on board

report them to the president of the company.

fa's are not for fun...or for good looks...but the fa's in boston were the best looking in our airline!
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They marry passengers they meet in First Class , like my ex did .
Thats what Asian hosties do past 30.
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