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Latest news in the Boston Globe on "Shoe Bomber" indicates that he did not act alone.
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From MSNBC:
... sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that some prisoners under U.S. control said they recognized Richard Reid, also known as Abdel Rahim, as having attended al-Qaida training camps in Afghanistan.
Some of those who said they recognized Reid from photographs shown to them by U.S. interrogators remembered him as being “high strung,” the sources said.
If confirmed, Reid’s attendance at the camp would provide the first evidence linking him to bin Laden’s terrorist network.
Word of the reaction to Reid’s photo in Afhanistan came as new details emerged about the suspect.
Among other things, it was revealed Wednesday that Reid attended a London mosque at the same time as Zacarias Moussaoui, accused of helping to plot the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington.
... sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that some prisoners under U.S. control said they recognized Richard Reid, also known as Abdel Rahim, as having attended al-Qaida training camps in Afghanistan.
Some of those who said they recognized Reid from photographs shown to them by U.S. interrogators remembered him as being “high strung,” the sources said.
If confirmed, Reid’s attendance at the camp would provide the first evidence linking him to bin Laden’s terrorist network.
Word of the reaction to Reid’s photo in Afhanistan came as new details emerged about the suspect.
Among other things, it was revealed Wednesday that Reid attended a London mosque at the same time as Zacarias Moussaoui, accused of helping to plot the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington.
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I remember that 'Samsonite' suitcases and attache cases were favourite for smuggling plastic explosives in and I seem to recall (although I may be wrong) that some airlines banned them for a time. They are in regular use now. Are scanners so much better that they can detect anything in one of those cases?
Perhaps somebody like the Guvnor can enlighten me.
Perhaps somebody like the Guvnor can enlighten me.
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There is something that I find confusing in this case. I'm sure there's a good reason, hope somebody can help explain it for me. All of the reports that I have read indicate that he will be charged with assault.
'The FBI said it would be charging Mr Reid, 28, with assault and intimidation of the crew of American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami. He is due in court on Friday' (From the BBC)
These charges seem sililar to those that might be brought for air rage incidents. Why no endagering an aeroplane, attempted murder, possesion of explosives etc.?
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'The FBI said it would be charging Mr Reid, 28, with assault and intimidation of the crew of American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami. He is due in court on Friday' (From the BBC)
These charges seem sililar to those that might be brought for air rage incidents. Why no endagering an aeroplane, attempted murder, possesion of explosives etc.?
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HUCK is correct. He was arraigned in the Magistrates Court on basic charges, pending a more detailed indictment that will be presented to the Grand Jury.
After the indictment, he will be arraigned again in the U.S. District Court. After the usual legal motions by the Federal Defenders, a trial date will be set.
"Give him a fair trial and then hang him!"
After the indictment, he will be arraigned again in the U.S. District Court. After the usual legal motions by the Federal Defenders, a trial date will be set.
"Give him a fair trial and then hang him!"
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What I find amazing is that someone who looks like him, with a one-way ticket and no luggage was even allowed on an aeroplane. If you asked anyone on the planet to come up with a stereo-typical portrait of an Mulsim fundamentalist terrorist, you'd get him! What the hell were the security people thinking of? <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
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As regards to charging someone if he had been killed in the struggle. Don't know about US law, but under UK law (which someone could still be liable under if he is indeed a UK citizen) then very very unlightly. A person is entitled to use reasonable force in self defence. But it would depend on what the person doing the killing had in his mind at the time, if he were aware that this berk was trying to devide the plane and contents into thier compent parts, then no sane jury would ever convict....but then again, I never came across a sane jury! However this is all speculation as sadly no one did kill him, thus saving the expense and the possibility that 12 good men and true will believe he didn't have enough toys as a child ... and aquitt him!
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Generally in the states one can use deadly force when one's life (or the life of another) is threatened. You generally have a duty to escape if you can; this rule does not, however, apply to your house - you can use deadly force to defend yourself in your house without having to try to run away first.
Many folks in my part of the country express themselves thusly: "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!"
Interesting, by the way, that they made it all the way to Boston. Was any other airport (Halifax, Bangor, etc....) closer? How did they know this guy was alone? Al Quaeda had previously sent groups of 5. If I were PIC I might have thought about dumping the cabin pressure and pointing it at the nearest runway....
Many folks in my part of the country express themselves thusly: "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6!"
Interesting, by the way, that they made it all the way to Boston. Was any other airport (Halifax, Bangor, etc....) closer? How did they know this guy was alone? Al Quaeda had previously sent groups of 5. If I were PIC I might have thought about dumping the cabin pressure and pointing it at the nearest runway....
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Remember the passenger who was asphxyated while being subdued on a Southwest flight. No charges were laid against the subduers in that case, and he didn't have exploding footwear.
On another front, according to <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/25/plane.investigation/index.html" target="_blank">CNN</a> the head of the firm doing security for AA at Paris, Reid was identified twice as a threat. French Authorities (whoever they were) decided he wasn't. But surely AA should have had the last word ?
On another front, according to <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/25/plane.investigation/index.html" target="_blank">CNN</a> the head of the firm doing security for AA at Paris, Reid was identified twice as a threat. French Authorities (whoever they were) decided he wasn't. But surely AA should have had the last word ?
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If I had been a passenger on the flight, with a little private money, then I might just attempt to bring a private lawsuit, or better still, a joint lawsuit against the body of people responsible for putting my life in danger.
fair or not, we all know that force is the only way to ensure what may be costly changes required to security procedures currently in force.
In this case it may be their whole operations procedures that need to be revised, & revised right now!!!!!
fair or not, we all know that force is the only way to ensure what may be costly changes required to security procedures currently in force.
In this case it may be their whole operations procedures that need to be revised, & revised right now!!!!!
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MikeEcho,
Re Vmikes comments.
I don't find them at all offensive. Unfortunately for all the good minded, reasonable Muslims world wide the current threat is demonstably 'Middle Eastern Males of Muslim Religion'. This individual was identified as a possible threat, based on his looks and behaviour, and it turned out he was a threat.
When the Muslim world starts acting with some conviction to stop this madness, instead of a mix of 'dancing in the streets' and Govt responses along the lines "Yes it is terrible and we condemn these people" while secretly(and often not so secretly) saying, "But the Americans had it coming", then they(the Muslim world) will be able to hold their heads up in the world community.
Their Religion is being hijacked by criminals, but I don't see the sort of reaction that one might expect from the Muslim world community.
Chuck.
Re Vmikes comments.
I don't find them at all offensive. Unfortunately for all the good minded, reasonable Muslims world wide the current threat is demonstably 'Middle Eastern Males of Muslim Religion'. This individual was identified as a possible threat, based on his looks and behaviour, and it turned out he was a threat.
When the Muslim world starts acting with some conviction to stop this madness, instead of a mix of 'dancing in the streets' and Govt responses along the lines "Yes it is terrible and we condemn these people" while secretly(and often not so secretly) saying, "But the Americans had it coming", then they(the Muslim world) will be able to hold their heads up in the world community.
Their Religion is being hijacked by criminals, but I don't see the sort of reaction that one might expect from the Muslim world community.
Chuck.
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Ref: Vmike's comment...
Didn't anyone really think that someone travelling longhaul solo and without luggage was a cause of suspicion? The "way he looks" is pretty irrelevant. I know that customs here in the UK make extensive use of "profiling" people, and if you don't fit the profile, you get stopped. Example - I worked for a few weeks in Turkey, and travelling home was stopped by customs (as a single guy, coming in from Istanbul on a regular basis) almost every time. For the record, I am not Muslim, and have a typical European visage...
Didn't anyone really think that someone travelling longhaul solo and without luggage was a cause of suspicion? The "way he looks" is pretty irrelevant. I know that customs here in the UK make extensive use of "profiling" people, and if you don't fit the profile, you get stopped. Example - I worked for a few weeks in Turkey, and travelling home was stopped by customs (as a single guy, coming in from Istanbul on a regular basis) almost every time. For the record, I am not Muslim, and have a typical European visage...