AC Regional Picks Up "Comair" YYZ-CVG Route
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AC Regional Picks Up "Comair" YYZ-CVG Route
Wonder if this is considered flying "struck work"? AC apparently had previous service three years ago.
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Air Canada subsidiary picks up Comair route to Toronto
By James Pilcher
The Cincinnati Enquirer
A route previously served by Comair before its pilots went on strike is being picked up by the regional subsidiary of Air Canada.
Air Canada Regional, Inc. announced today that it was beginning service between Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky Airport and Toronto on June 4, for an introductory rate of $184.
''We're always looking at new routes and we did a lot of analysis before,'' said Air Canada Regional spokeswoman Debra Williams. ''But there certainly is a situation where there is no service between Cincinnati and Toronto, and we're glad to step in.''
Air Canada operates its main Canadian hub at Toronto Pearson International Airport, and the company is offering discounted rates between Cincinnati and other Canadian cities such as Ottawa and Montreal.
The regional affiliate is in the process of combining four separate airlines into one company, and will eventually operate 130 planes and fly to 104 cities throughout Canada and the United States.
The Toronto flight will run twice a day except Saturday until July, when it will begin seven-day service.
It will be the only direct, non-stop service between the two cities. Before Comair's 1,350 pilots went on strike on March 26, that regional carrier operated nine daily flights between the cities.
Ms. Williams said her company planned to keep flying the route even if Comair settles with its pilots.
Comair officials had no comment on the [Air Canada announcement]. Air Canada previously operated four daily flights between the cities between November 1997 and March, 1998.
There were no talks or negotiations scheduled between Comair and its pilots today, the 54th of the strike.
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Airbubba---
An airline like, for example, Continental Express could start to operate ALL of the Comair routes tomorrow (if they had the aircraft and crews) and under deregulation it would be quite legal. In NO way would it be considered "struck work". Should they use the Comair aircraft (unless purchased), then a different story. The Comair guys have made a big mistake IMHO.
An airline like, for example, Continental Express could start to operate ALL of the Comair routes tomorrow (if they had the aircraft and crews) and under deregulation it would be quite legal. In NO way would it be considered "struck work". Should they use the Comair aircraft (unless purchased), then a different story. The Comair guys have made a big mistake IMHO.
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Attention to all who peruse this forum: 411A seems to feel he has something to say on just about EVERY issue to do with EVERY airline. If you will notice, he now has 726 (!) posts.... He is a pathetic wannabe who is intent on undermining the confidence of any and all pilot groups. A pathetic, sad individual.
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It seems to me you´re the one with the pathetic problem, Mr. Resistance. Have you ever posted anything lately that doesn´t attempt to degrade and put down 411´s personal opinions?
After all, that´s what they are, personal opinions to which he´s entitled, as you are yours...
PS-For the record, in my opinion, any carrier represented by ALPO who flys routes formerly flown by COMAIR, regardless of who´s planes they are in is flying struck work until either the strike is over, or COMAIR shuts it´s doors, which appears won´t be long now, sorry to say...
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After all, that´s what they are, personal opinions to which he´s entitled, as you are yours...
PS-For the record, in my opinion, any carrier represented by ALPO who flys routes formerly flown by COMAIR, regardless of who´s planes they are in is flying struck work until either the strike is over, or COMAIR shuts it´s doors, which appears won´t be long now, sorry to say...
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The resistance.....this is a discussion forum, and it here for folks to post their opinions, not about each other, but about the topic presented...so if you're unhappy about 411-a's postings, quit following him/her around the Pprune whining about it....after many years as a dues paying alpa member, i too feel the comair pilots are between a rock and a hard place..and might come out on the loosing end of this deal...let's hope not, have many old friends working there...if ac jet is operating these routes as a delta connection, then it is struck work indeed, just like when delta took all eastern routes and passengers in atlanta many moons ago...there is no honor among thieves...good luck to the folks at comair...you might need it..resistance...did your "handle" used to be "strikemama" you sound like him!!!
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Well said Ironbutt,
I also remember the EAL situation at ATL, and this seems to be more of the same.
No matter what is being said publicly, I believe that behind closed doors Comair has all ready been divided and shared out to everyone except their own workers.
I hope I´m wrong, but it´s happened before...
I also remember the EAL situation at ATL, and this seems to be more of the same.
No matter what is being said publicly, I believe that behind closed doors Comair has all ready been divided and shared out to everyone except their own workers.
I hope I´m wrong, but it´s happened before...
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The Comair MEC declared that while the strike was ongoing, only Delta and Delta subsidiaries were not to fly the former Comair routes.
Other ALPA carriers as well as carriers for other unions will not be affected and may fly whatever they want. And why not? Having another company fly the same routes does not help Delta or Comair.
Other ALPA carriers as well as carriers for other unions will not be affected and may fly whatever they want. And why not? Having another company fly the same routes does not help Delta or Comair.
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I guess Comair ALPA is trying to accelerate the demise to prove they were "right". It does remind me of the Eastern situation years ago. Like I said, the younger guys will get jobs elsewhere...
From today's CVG paper:
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Max Roberts, spokesman for Comair's branch of the Air Line Pilots Association, said the union had no problem with other airlines taking business away from Comair or parent company Delta.
“As long as it is not Delta, Delta Connection or another codeshare, we're saying, "Come and get it,'” Mr. Roberts said.
http://enquirer.com/editions/2001/05...ines_fill.html
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I'm not sure where some of these ideas are coming from...
A striking pilots *WANTS* the competition to move in and take the business away from the company being struck. If all the passengers just get re-booked onto longer routings on Delta then DAL hasn't lost the revenue! The point of the strike is not to prevent people from traveling, but to deny DAL/CMR the revenue from that traveling.
A striking pilots *WANTS* the competition to move in and take the business away from the company being struck. If all the passengers just get re-booked onto longer routings on Delta then DAL hasn't lost the revenue! The point of the strike is not to prevent people from traveling, but to deny DAL/CMR the revenue from that traveling.
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As an ACR pilot I can feel for the Comair pilots. Duane Woerth (ALPA head) was lucky he didn't get punched out when he visited with the boys on the picket line on the first day. I think he'd be scared to come to Toronto the way ALPA has treated us. As for leaving ALPA, as someone said, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer".
My only fear is that we're in negotiations now and I can just imagine the plans AC management are making if we strike. Gulp.
My only fear is that we're in negotiations now and I can just imagine the plans AC management are making if we strike. Gulp.
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Struck work flown by a competing airline with their own equipment and pilots regardless of union affiliation....hhmmm, there's a touchy one.
When ACR was on strike back in '97 I remember Air Canada equipment and crews flying Air Canada owned ACR routes. Now that's scabbing.
When ACR was on strike back in '97 I remember Air Canada equipment and crews flying Air Canada owned ACR routes. Now that's scabbing.
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Apparently there are still some people around who think there is some moral issue attached to other people taking your job when you decline to do it. If you go on strike and the company finds people to do the job you did for less pay, you just bet your job and lost the bet. No one ever goes to Vegas and calls the dealer a scab....
The little rants from the "Resistance" just get more and more hilarious. If he EVER goes on strike where he lives he will be out of work immediately at best, behind bars at worst.
It's called the real world. The first lesson for union members is how to pretend it doesn't exist.
The little rants from the "Resistance" just get more and more hilarious. If he EVER goes on strike where he lives he will be out of work immediately at best, behind bars at worst.
It's called the real world. The first lesson for union members is how to pretend it doesn't exist.
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The strike seems to be taking longer than many expected. I think Comair MEC is to thank for that, if this rumour is true. This is from the rumour mill, I can't be sure of the accuracy. Delta pilots a few months ago offered the Comair MEC a 2 day sympathy strike to get their negotiations over with. It was at the same time that Comair pilots were trying to get a seniority number at Delta. Delta MEC pretty much agreed to tack them on to the bottom of their list, but Comair MEC sued in court for date of hire and lost. Delta pilots were no longer interested in the sympathy strike after that.
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On the topic of struck work though. ACA has announced service from IAD to CVG, a route previously only flown by Comair. I think that was just bad timing though. The word was that they were going to start service there anyway regardless of the strike. The BVT to CVG service by ACJet Delta Connection is another story though. ACJet isn't even based in Burlington.
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>>Delta pilots were no longer interested in the sympathy strike after that.<<
Yes, but to show DALPA's undying support, the Delta MEC Chairman walked the Comair picket line yesterday (conspicuously out of uniform):
http://www.alpa.org/internet/airline...giambusso.html
Ironically, Captain Giambusso had just left a road show to sell the Delta TA which has scope language limiting expansion by the Delta commuters.
Meanwhile the company is trying to get pilots to come back to work with a phone campaign. Perhaps there is a plan to revive Comair after all...
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May 25, 2001
Union Angry Over Comair Tactics
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 5:02 p.m. ET
HEBRON, Ky. (AP) -- The union for striking Comair pilots said company managers are calling pilots at home to persuade them to end the walkout that has shut down the regional airline for two months.
The Air Line Pilots Association called it an attempt to break the union.
"We have taken that opportunity to ask the pilots for feedback,'' said Nick Miller, a Comair spokesman. "But the ultimate source of information for the pilots needs to be their union and their leadership.''
Paul Lackie, a Comair captain and union spokesman, said the phone calls started after pilots overwhelmingly rejected a settlement offer from federal mediators.
The phone calls are management's attempt to negotiate with individual pilots rather than the Master Executive Council which governs the Comair pilots' union, Lackie said Thursday.
"It's a standard tactic out of the union-busting game plan,'' Lackie said.
A message on the union's hot line warned pilots of telephone calls from management that attempt to use a friendly conversation to "create doubt and fear using subtle threats and false promises.''
The hot line message tells pilots that they are not obliged to take the calls.
Lackie said Comair managers suggest in the calls that the company could increase retroactive pay if the union backed off its proposal for a company-funded retirement plan.
He said the company was targeting pilots with sick family members who might be missing their health care benefits.
The strike by all 1,350 pilots began March 26 and shut down all flight operations for Comair, based at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport. No new contract talks are scheduled.
Comair, owned by Delta Air Lines, had been the nation's second-largest regional airline behind American Eagle. Since the walkout began, Comair has laid off 2,000 of its 4,000 nonstriking employees, eliminated 200 pilot positions, sold some aircraft and deferred capital projects.
Yes, but to show DALPA's undying support, the Delta MEC Chairman walked the Comair picket line yesterday (conspicuously out of uniform):
http://www.alpa.org/internet/airline...giambusso.html
Ironically, Captain Giambusso had just left a road show to sell the Delta TA which has scope language limiting expansion by the Delta commuters.
Meanwhile the company is trying to get pilots to come back to work with a phone campaign. Perhaps there is a plan to revive Comair after all...
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May 25, 2001
Union Angry Over Comair Tactics
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 5:02 p.m. ET
HEBRON, Ky. (AP) -- The union for striking Comair pilots said company managers are calling pilots at home to persuade them to end the walkout that has shut down the regional airline for two months.
The Air Line Pilots Association called it an attempt to break the union.
"We have taken that opportunity to ask the pilots for feedback,'' said Nick Miller, a Comair spokesman. "But the ultimate source of information for the pilots needs to be their union and their leadership.''
Paul Lackie, a Comair captain and union spokesman, said the phone calls started after pilots overwhelmingly rejected a settlement offer from federal mediators.
The phone calls are management's attempt to negotiate with individual pilots rather than the Master Executive Council which governs the Comair pilots' union, Lackie said Thursday.
"It's a standard tactic out of the union-busting game plan,'' Lackie said.
A message on the union's hot line warned pilots of telephone calls from management that attempt to use a friendly conversation to "create doubt and fear using subtle threats and false promises.''
The hot line message tells pilots that they are not obliged to take the calls.
Lackie said Comair managers suggest in the calls that the company could increase retroactive pay if the union backed off its proposal for a company-funded retirement plan.
He said the company was targeting pilots with sick family members who might be missing their health care benefits.
The strike by all 1,350 pilots began March 26 and shut down all flight operations for Comair, based at Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport. No new contract talks are scheduled.
Comair, owned by Delta Air Lines, had been the nation's second-largest regional airline behind American Eagle. Since the walkout began, Comair has laid off 2,000 of its 4,000 nonstriking employees, eliminated 200 pilot positions, sold some aircraft and deferred capital projects.
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More on the issues involved in "struck work" in today's CVG paper:
http://enquirer.com/editions/2001/05..._strategy.html
