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Sorry Cargo400, my mistake. I missed the part of the article that indeed says "the flight engineers position will be retained".
I remember a while ago getting wind of a planned cockpit upgrade for some DC10's. I think in this case they were cutting it back to two crew. I think they were going to rename it the MD10, Was it for FEDEX?
Do you know if this has gone ahead?
I love the way that it's only us hardy cargo flyers who are the ones wandering around ppruneland at these ungodly hours!!!!
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I remember a while ago getting wind of a planned cockpit upgrade for some DC10's. I think in this case they were cutting it back to two crew. I think they were going to rename it the MD10, Was it for FEDEX?
Do you know if this has gone ahead?
I love the way that it's only us hardy cargo flyers who are the ones wandering around ppruneland at these ungodly hours!!!!
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The MD-10 (glass cockpit version of the DC-10) is very near certification. FedEx will most probably have several operating by the end of this calendar year. Test program has gone quite well. At this point there is some concern by the union on the issue of having it operated as the same type rating with the MD-11(like the 767/757), with common currency. Although the differences between the -10 and -11 are actually a bit less than the 767 and 757, there are still some real concerns. It remains to be seen how this is resolved, although Boeing and FedEx are pushing for the certication for the same type rating.
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Thanks for the info Prof2MDA, I didn't know the MD-10 program was so far advanced, is the testing being done at Long Beach? Do you know how many aircraft are going to be re-configured and is it just for FedEx?
I would guess Boeing will be looking anxiously at whether the MD-10 gets the go-ahead for dual rating with the MD11, because they're now planning the same thing with the planned 747 Classics glass cockpit upgrade.
One more thing does anyone know if the MD-10 will be minus the F/E?
I would guess Boeing will be looking anxiously at whether the MD-10 gets the go-ahead for dual rating with the MD11, because they're now planning the same thing with the planned 747 Classics glass cockpit upgrade.
One more thing does anyone know if the MD-10 will be minus the F/E?
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Thanks for your response cargorat. I don't work for Atlas either -although judging from some earlier posts they sound like pretty awful employers. This isn't a UK vs US thing. The American pilots are being screwed more than anyone.
It sounds as though a big part of the motivation for this deal is not what flag appears on the tail but simply to avoid employment laws/employee rights of either the UK or the USA.
It sounds as though a big part of the motivation for this deal is not what flag appears on the tail but simply to avoid employment laws/employee rights of either the UK or the USA.
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There is a large amount of baloney flying around here.In the grand scheme of things,a B747 captains salary is negligible compared to the profits to be made in long haul freight.These carriers can easily pay the going rate for the job and my humble advice is to not take the position unless it is a representative wage,i.e.close to a mainline BA captain.
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CargoRat, your point well up the page regarding BA freight business. Surely the Atlas aircraft flying for BA is painted in BA colours and uses a BA callsign, albeit with an american accent. Why can't they just continue doing this but with their own aircraft and crews? BA has a huge freight business, however, most of it travels at low cost in passenger aircraft bellies. Same story in CX, who also have a large freight business. HKIA is the world's busiest International freight hub and 65% of the freight passing through there is on passenger aircraft. My point, of course the business is there for a BA dedicated freighter fleet and BA already enjoy an excellent reputation as a freight hauling airline. The parallel with CX is sound, a large and increasing freighter fleet to complement the freight capacity of the passenger aircraft.
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Hi mole.
Yes, I would assume your bit about the callsign etc is correct. That's the way it's usually done.
Żou said it yourself: belly capacity. This is not what we call "hard freight" ie your 20ft long crate that weighs over 40000Lbs - everyday stuff for us. My point is only this: BA will not be able to invent a freighter fleet tomorrow. In the meantime, I really can't see where the problem is using 5Y.
CX have approx a dozen freighters.
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Yes, I would assume your bit about the callsign etc is correct. That's the way it's usually done.
Żou said it yourself: belly capacity. This is not what we call "hard freight" ie your 20ft long crate that weighs over 40000Lbs - everyday stuff for us. My point is only this: BA will not be able to invent a freighter fleet tomorrow. In the meantime, I really can't see where the problem is using 5Y.
CX have approx a dozen freighters.
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"It sounds as though a big part of the motivation for this deal is not what flag appears on the tail but simply to avoid employment laws/employee rights of either the UK or the USA."
Shot One, you should move to the head of the class! MC is using Frank Lorenzo tactics to extract every last penny from exploited pilots' pockets.
Atlas is a great company, great business, great aircraft. JUST LOUSY EMPLOYERS. They do not value you, you're families, your opinion. Shut up and fly the freight. Don't like it, quit. They'll hire some other poor bastard who's needing to pay a bill or too. Just don't get too comfortable, they don't want you here for a career--that would cost money.
The US pilot group are hanging tough to force Atlas to become a decent employer. If and when that happens think it will be hard for the same company to mistreat pilots hired into an wholly owned, offshore operation.
BTW, in many cases Atlas must operate under customers' call sign because they (Atlas) don't hold route authority.
Still want to know what some of you ex-BA guys think about the money on offer to give your lives up to a predatory company. Did they come close?
Shot One, you should move to the head of the class! MC is using Frank Lorenzo tactics to extract every last penny from exploited pilots' pockets.
Atlas is a great company, great business, great aircraft. JUST LOUSY EMPLOYERS. They do not value you, you're families, your opinion. Shut up and fly the freight. Don't like it, quit. They'll hire some other poor bastard who's needing to pay a bill or too. Just don't get too comfortable, they don't want you here for a career--that would cost money.
The US pilot group are hanging tough to force Atlas to become a decent employer. If and when that happens think it will be hard for the same company to mistreat pilots hired into an wholly owned, offshore operation.
BTW, in many cases Atlas must operate under customers' call sign because they (Atlas) don't hold route authority.
Still want to know what some of you ex-BA guys think about the money on offer to give your lives up to a predatory company. Did they come close?
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Hi CargoRat, not a dozen unless you include the 777's and 330's that fly the nightly DHL trips. You can't include the AHK fleet bcos they operate under their own AOC. I believe the CX fleet is 4 747-200 and 2 747-400 with 3 747-400 on order, although that changes almost daily. I agree that there is a lot of freight that can only go by freighter, and not only bcos of bulk. However, don't discount the passenger fleets, a B777-300 can carry 40 standard containers - that's 14 more than a B747. It adds much to the bottom line when you carry 360+ pax and 30 tons of freight. That freight is moved for the tiny cost of the increased fuel burn. Good economics.
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Sorry getting off the thread a bit above. But if CX can announce 744F orders on a regular basis then why not BA? This STN deal is total crap. Maybe the arrival of Eddington at BA may change a few things wrt to freighter ops. I don't see mainline pay, but perhaps a sweeter deal than the ASL people got in HKG. But then again when the likes of NWA can pay one salary for freight and pax why not BA or CX. Union power? BA crew have this, when ASL was born CX crew had a weak union, this has changed dramatically over the last few years, however, possibly too late to change the freighter contracts significantly.
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Altas seems to be betting on starting subsiderary companies in order to have complete control of their labour force. They will not have to deal with the new union, which has already started negociations in good faith. I am already hearing rumours of a similar operation starting up in Brazil.