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Old 7th Nov 2008, 23:57
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Air support.

To call a deep cover operative a traitor to the side he seeking to undermine is a misuse of the word.

A traitor changes sides. I believe this guy was VC all the way.

Were all the British operatives in Vichy France traitors?

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To call a deep cover operative a traitor to the side he seeking to undermine is a misuse of the word.

A traitor changes sides. I believe this guy was VC all the way.
I don't know what spin has been put on this now, probably a whole new story has been created to make him look better.

He was an Officer (a Colonel from memory) in the SOUTH Vietnamese Air Force for a long time, he used to tell us stories of his sorties against the Chinese Air Force over a group of Islands (I cannot remeber their name) that were disputed, NOT the actions of a hardened Communist.

Just before the end of the War he took these actions, when the outcome was becoming obvious. He ended up a National Hero while (when we were there) still the ONLY jobs his fellow but loyal South Vietnamese Officers could get was driving Cyclos.

As I said earlier, I found him to be quite pleasant to talk to, but definitely a Traitor to the Country whose uniform he had worn for many years.
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over a group of Islands (I cannot remeber their name) that were disputed
Probably the Spratley Islands, the ownership of which is disputed by a number of countries in the region. Rumours of oil fields no doubt contributing to the interest.
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Probably the Spratley Islands, the ownership of which is disputed by a number of countries in the region. Rumours of oil fields no doubt contributing to the interest.
As I said I cannot remember the name now, but that is probably them, it WAS over oil.
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What has treason to do with this thread about salary reductions? We have anarchy on the horizon and we are now talking of defections and treason and the like.


Could this new discussion come from this fact that VN has advertised for an increase in flights for the TET holiday of over 800 extra flights and we now are suggesting defections during this time yes?


Could this be another “Tet Offensive?”


BLOODY GOOD IDEA!
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What has treason to do with this thread
Sorry if this has offended anyone.

I was just trying to find out if this guy is the same person who was one of our B767 First Officers some 15 years ago, obviously he was, thank you.
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Capt Trung has nothing to do with the present situation because he is not flying for VN at the present time being older than 60
I was told 3 weeks ago that he is or will be flying the first private Aircraft to be register in VN ,which is own by a very rich Vietnamese Biz man
By the way Capt Trung already flew several VIP flight in America and Canada
The other one which is DFO now, was an FO flying with you on B767 and he was checked Capt by Regionnair when they received the 3 new B767 in Feb 1996
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 17:57
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Okay thank you.

I was just trying to find out if it was him involved in this.

Things obviously have changed a lot since I left there in 1993, for one thing Regionair at the time only operated a single Airbus A310 there, not B767s.

I am also sure lots of other things have changed there since 1993 including the cost of living, however about the differences in pay and conditions between locals and expats, in 1993 our overnight allowance per night was about the same as a Vietnam Airlines Mechanics MONTHLY salary and they were considered to be well paid by local standards.

As I mentioned earlier, without having been back there since 1993, I thought that they would have trained and been using all local Pilots by now.

Good luck to all involved.
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 20:57
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Why is anyone surprised when airlines take this action in times of worldwide financial crisis?

Surely we would expect managements to reduce costs in any direction possible. The alternative would rapidly spell redundancy for all. What do you want?
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Perhaps another cost saving could be made by reducing pension payments to retired pilots?
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 00:04
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Pension??
What are you talking about?
Pension in Vietnam for government employes are about $100. A MONTH
And expat pilots have no pension
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Old 10th Nov 2008, 05:04
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" The Sand Pit" is filled up....
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Pension??
What are you talking about?
Look at the response above mine. See Manrow's profile; he's retired and thinks salary cuts are acceptable so why not cut his pension too?
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Old 13th Nov 2008, 07:34
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Oh. That probably explains it. I do HKG - HAN regularly (as SLF, I hasten to add). Two hours or thereabout, just sweet flying everytime. The flight is codeshare with CX, but always operated by a 320 VN and by those lovelies wearing purple ao dais. And for the last few years, the captain has always been a gwailo of some sort.
Last Saturday, coming back from Hanoi, the pilot was a young-looking Vietnamese fellow. I did not think much of it at the time - I mean, I am used to flying in China...
The first slightly odd thing was at takeoff: once airborne he banked rather more abruptly than usual to head eastwards - but then, many young pilots are cowboys if they can - pull the joystick just that bit harder. I settled down and that was that. The rest of the flight was uneventful, but landing at Chek Lap Kok...oh dear. I mean, it wasn't even raining. No wind. Early afternoon...I thought we were approaching a bit fast, but, hey, I am SLR, so what do I know? Touchdown was smooth - at least judging from my 36A seat, but the instant the nose was down the tail swerwed left, then right (or perhaps the other way around) with enough force to topple stuff in the galley behind me, and to convince me of the opportunity to grab the seat in front of me with both hands, and to say s***t! loudly enough to solicit an answer by the elderly canadian gentleman's sitting in 36B: 'useless twats'. No more than two seconds of terror, just like when the back of your car loses traction and tries to overtake the front...but I did not think an aircraft could do that. Then the thing straigthened itself and that was that. Hong Kong, home and beauty. But...I don't believe in coincidences, usually. I hope this wasn't one.
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the pilot was a young-looking Vietnamese fellow....once airborne he banked rather more abruptly ....we were approaching a bit fast....but the instant the nose was down the tail swerwed left, then right ....with enough force to topple stuff in the galley behind me....grab the seat with both hands, and to say s***t!....more than two seconds of terror...but I did not think an aircraft could do that.
we surmise that you are more comfortable with the foriegn pilots, yes?


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"Coincidence -The chance occurrence of two events that may have a peculiar correspondence".

This lot could not do anything properly more than once [accidental coincidental occurance] or demonstrate any sort of consistancy.
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latest news report

update news from VN....

"....VAC expect a loss of 100 billion..."
"......demand redutcions in forgien pilot salary.."
"...they cancell all remaining screening slots...."


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Old 15th Nov 2008, 20:25
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what is the typical notice period with the agencies? Could they pay you off with 3 months notice for instance?
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Old 15th Nov 2008, 21:04
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If there is a reduction in flying, they can terminate your contract with almost no advance notice. It's all in the fine print.
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Well, does anybody know some more or less exact numbers how much pay-reduction there will be?
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Old 16th Nov 2008, 11:24
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I am supposed to start ground school in 2 weeks at VAC. any news on if they are planning to actually give the boot to contract pilots?
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