Only approach is NDB - is this 2008?
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To get back on thread, whilst MJV hs been alot of 'fun' recently due all the reasons mentioned, it ain't a bed of roses just down the road at LEI especially with an easterly breeze and more than one for an approach. One of you circling off the ils(if it's working) and one of you doing the comedy NDB all 'procedurally' you understand. What ends up is "can you see the easy" "wheres the monarch?". I'm a regular at both these airports and they need a bit of care taking as the facilities and controlling at both are way below par.
Lovely new dispatcher at LEI mind.
Lovely new dispatcher at LEI mind.
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Good point. It's awful when pilots feel they have to take on an ATC role when there is ATC you feel you just can't trust. Don't you get that prickly feeling on the back of your neck? I've done it over Africa and India as well.
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Rallying the troops on MJV - whats next?
OK, having had a full go and seriously alarmed many of us, what are you, as a pilot community, going to do next about MJV? Some of the ATC actions that I have read here - if true - border on the criminally incompetent.
Apart from fun, some healthy intellectual masturbation and ego bashing, and trying to solve accidents with insufficient data, one of the most important outcomes of a PPRUNE discussion has to be that at the end of the day safety is improved. Forget form filling and MORs - you are dealing with a military installation. They likely go in the bin. You can't shame them in front of a regulatory authority or put them on the BBC like the BRS runway issue last year. PPRUNE did an absolutely superb job in highlighting that issue. But it won't work here. So what are you going to do apart from whinge?
Is there an users - operators forum? How often do you have meetings with the airport management? Are EASA and DGAC present? Have BALPA got involved? Who is writing the article for El Pais and the other Spanish language papers? Now is the perfect window of opportunity, while Spanish public interest in aviation safety is aroused. Come on! Justme69 will show the way! (You will, won't you?)......
Right. I'll just go put on my kevlar flak jacket....
Pinkman
Apart from fun, some healthy intellectual masturbation and ego bashing, and trying to solve accidents with insufficient data, one of the most important outcomes of a PPRUNE discussion has to be that at the end of the day safety is improved. Forget form filling and MORs - you are dealing with a military installation. They likely go in the bin. You can't shame them in front of a regulatory authority or put them on the BBC like the BRS runway issue last year. PPRUNE did an absolutely superb job in highlighting that issue. But it won't work here. So what are you going to do apart from whinge?
Is there an users - operators forum? How often do you have meetings with the airport management? Are EASA and DGAC present? Have BALPA got involved? Who is writing the article for El Pais and the other Spanish language papers? Now is the perfect window of opportunity, while Spanish public interest in aviation safety is aroused. Come on! Justme69 will show the way! (You will, won't you?)......
Right. I'll just go put on my kevlar flak jacket....
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The civil side of MJV is operated by Aena (Aeropuertos Españoles y Navegación Aérea, or Spanish Airports and Aerial Navigation), the Spanish airport authority. According to Aena, passenger numbers have jumped from 848,037 in 2004 to 1,645,886 in 2006 (due to the LCCs).
If any users group goes to meet with them (as Pinkman suggests), can I add some background for the discussion. With that sort of pax growth, the airport economics are illuminating. Put simply, the MJV airport business has to be awash with money. The (single) runway is provided for free by the military. The last big civil side upgrade AFAIK was the terminal upgraded at low cost in 2004-6. At that pax level, unless the airport has done some really silly deals with the airlines over charges, then there has to be plenty of money to spare for navaids, radar, and improved ATC staffing. Don’t be put off by claims of poverty . . .
If any users group goes to meet with them (as Pinkman suggests), can I add some background for the discussion. With that sort of pax growth, the airport economics are illuminating. Put simply, the MJV airport business has to be awash with money. The (single) runway is provided for free by the military. The last big civil side upgrade AFAIK was the terminal upgraded at low cost in 2004-6. At that pax level, unless the airport has done some really silly deals with the airlines over charges, then there has to be plenty of money to spare for navaids, radar, and improved ATC staffing. Don’t be put off by claims of poverty . . .
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Never mind chaps...get into a holding pattern for a couple of years; Murcias answer to Navaid problems? Build another airport...
Work started on the new Murcia airport on July1 2008, planned opening 2010 and fully capable by winter 2010.
Corovera Airport, Murcia - Airport Technology
Work started on the new Murcia airport on July1 2008, planned opening 2010 and fully capable by winter 2010.
Corovera Airport, Murcia - Airport Technology
