Crossair overrun in Zurich?
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JUST HOLD ON
Are we trying to throw more people out of work here or just throwing mud cause we've nothing else to do?? Yes Crossair may have some problems but what airline hasn't especially at the moment. Many of the incidents mentioned above (such as the RJ that went off the runway at ZRH due to the nosewheel not being centred on retraction by the airframe) have NOTHING whatsoever to do with Crossair or the pilots. Yes, there may have been a series of incidents which will no doubt be investigated but dont lets shout endless drivel about an airline before we know the truth. I dont notice anyone saying how unwise it would be to fly on AA now do I?????
And before the fur flies - no i dont work for Crossair and never have.
Are we trying to throw more people out of work here or just throwing mud cause we've nothing else to do?? Yes Crossair may have some problems but what airline hasn't especially at the moment. Many of the incidents mentioned above (such as the RJ that went off the runway at ZRH due to the nosewheel not being centred on retraction by the airframe) have NOTHING whatsoever to do with Crossair or the pilots. Yes, there may have been a series of incidents which will no doubt be investigated but dont lets shout endless drivel about an airline before we know the truth. I dont notice anyone saying how unwise it would be to fly on AA now do I?????
And before the fur flies - no i dont work for Crossair and never have.
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I think what is being said here is that this company is in great need of help! And that help may be at hand in the form of vastly experienced pilots and other staff from the "old" Swissair. It appears though, that the middle management types at Crossair are not aware of it.
A nosewheel not centering, obviously does not point at the pilots. It may however point at the maintainance procedures? Peoples opinions given here; especially when it appears that they may have worked there and have some inside knowledge, cannot be merely written off as "drivel" as you so eloquently put it Madam. You said it yourself: you have never worked there.
A nosewheel not centering, obviously does not point at the pilots. It may however point at the maintainance procedures? Peoples opinions given here; especially when it appears that they may have worked there and have some inside knowledge, cannot be merely written off as "drivel" as you so eloquently put it Madam. You said it yourself: you have never worked there.
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Now that's bl@@dy interesting reading, Max Lenz.
Puts an entirely new perspective on the perceived / projected quality of Swiss aviation training in general and SR's (obviously misplaced) pride in this respect in particular.
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Puts an entirely new perspective on the perceived / projected quality of Swiss aviation training in general and SR's (obviously misplaced) pride in this respect in particular.
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R. Vesco: My wife (Sinter Klaus) got me the "Combat Flt. Sim 2: WW2 Pacific Theater", for Christmas. It is the most fun I've had on the computer! Except for reading Pprune.
Stagnation Point. Next to the old center runway (now 21R) in DTW, Michigan, we were de-icing about two winters ago. Although the runway is normally only for departures, in order to speed up the traffic flow, I asked tower about braking action there. They said "we don't know".
Does this operation happen at many airports, where the departing aircraft have no current news on braking action, because nobody has landed on a specific runway for a while? Good luck on a high-speed abort! It seemed that nobody else wanted to ask ATC about abort conditions.
Stagnation Point. Next to the old center runway (now 21R) in DTW, Michigan, we were de-icing about two winters ago. Although the runway is normally only for departures, in order to speed up the traffic flow, I asked tower about braking action there. They said "we don't know".
Does this operation happen at many airports, where the departing aircraft have no current news on braking action, because nobody has landed on a specific runway for a while? Good luck on a high-speed abort! It seemed that nobody else wanted to ask ATC about abort conditions.
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Hi all,
I have joined Crossair early this year. I was highly impressed by the professionalism and the kind of discussions we can lead with our superiors. I have looked completely different at Crossair before, as I was an SR employee and living in my bubble thinking that there is nothing able to match SR and that we are beyond doubt.
Now I came here to pprune to be able to find valuable information how I can achieve my goal of being one of the most qualified pilots, of learning of the experiences of others, of finding great guys and gals to seriously discuss safety-items.
I am disappionted. Every airline has it's incidents, which are reported, so we can all learn something from it as professionals. Bashing certain airlines in public certainly does not help, and I somewhat miss the airmanship on these pages.
On the other hand thank's to those who also feel the need to visit these pages to help and make aviation safer. I gladly listen to you and cherish you inputs. YOu make the time spent here valuable.
You all, also those bashing and red-faceing
, have a happy and safe New Year, take care
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I have joined Crossair early this year. I was highly impressed by the professionalism and the kind of discussions we can lead with our superiors. I have looked completely different at Crossair before, as I was an SR employee and living in my bubble thinking that there is nothing able to match SR and that we are beyond doubt.
Now I came here to pprune to be able to find valuable information how I can achieve my goal of being one of the most qualified pilots, of learning of the experiences of others, of finding great guys and gals to seriously discuss safety-items.
I am disappionted. Every airline has it's incidents, which are reported, so we can all learn something from it as professionals. Bashing certain airlines in public certainly does not help, and I somewhat miss the airmanship on these pages.
On the other hand thank's to those who also feel the need to visit these pages to help and make aviation safer. I gladly listen to you and cherish you inputs. YOu make the time spent here valuable.
You all, also those bashing and red-faceing
, have a happy and safe New Year, take care[ 28 December 2001: Message edited by: Aviatrix69 ]</p>
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LX crews might have more time to Aviate, Navigate, Communicate, if their check-lists were of a more manageable length. The amount of superfluous checks on the MD-80, as an example, is high. Just a suggestion, before any Xenophobes leap into the attack again..I like Switzerland, and Swissair.
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[quote]I'm an ex-Crossair pilot that left Crossair because learning from other's is not part of the corporate identity at Crossair <hr></blockquote>
Learning from others is central to the Crossair corporate identity. Evidence the vast array of nations that constitute the checking and training organisation across all aircraft types. World's best practice is the stated and clearly pursued objective.
Disappointingly for some, however, the practise of incorporating recommendations of the hysterical, the windbag, and the pedant is somewhat less common.
Learning from others is central to the Crossair corporate identity. Evidence the vast array of nations that constitute the checking and training organisation across all aircraft types. World's best practice is the stated and clearly pursued objective.
Disappointingly for some, however, the practise of incorporating recommendations of the hysterical, the windbag, and the pedant is somewhat less common.
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I think this thread has, as usual, been hijacked to an airline bashing! The real issue is the 146 itself which has one of the highest runway over-run incident rate of any jet aircraft in the world. Perhaps the lack of reversers and autobrakes has something to do with it- plus of course virtually none of the earlier 146's even have auto ground spoilers! I flew the 146 for many years and one of the nicest things about a return to the 737 was the reduced necessity for fancy handwork in the roll-out!
