Low fuel forced Italian MD-82 to land on closed runway
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Correct me if I'm wrong: it has been known.
ATC can not close a runway for weather, or I suspect for birds. They can advise there are birds on the runway. They can commence bird scaring operations and thus close the runway due to vehicular and personnel prescence on the runway. I don't think they can order a G/A "due birds on runway."
ATC can not close a runway for weather, or I suspect for birds. They can advise there are birds on the runway. They can commence bird scaring operations and thus close the runway due to vehicular and personnel prescence on the runway. I don't think they can order a G/A "due birds on runway."
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The story of flight was little bit different ...i work for the same company and i know very well the collegue that forced the landing...
The ATC gave istructions for landing ( radar vector ) and , when the plane was at the minima , istructed the pilot to perform a go-around for birds presence .
After some others minuts in holding the ATC gave clearence for second approach and , when the plane arrive to the minima .....same story : go-around.
Observation : for your opinion it's more safe perform a landing or two go-around for birds ? For the ATC it's better perform a go around ???!!!!
At this time the commander ask for ETA and the controller replay undefined ....the commander ask if the airport was closed and the ATC say : no , but we have birds on the runway ..... The commander ask again : if the airport it's not close i like to land ....
They had a continously mismatch between ATC and Commander regarding the minings of frase : airport close or open ; for atc the airport was not closed but tecnically not available for landing .....
This was the reason why at the end the crew landed on Cagliari .
If the airport it's not closed , if a safety car it's not on the runway you cannot close an airport because some birds are flying around ....if every ATC close an airport or not only for birds reason the sistem will collapsed ...
This was a tipicaly Italian war , like the patetic war for visual approach, between Atc and Italian governament to induce the state to buy the anti-birds sistem ......producing economic damage to airline company in the event to push them to make pressure on governament .....
Some days ago the ATC in Cagliari doesen't gave the take off clearence to an airplane because the weather was not good........
NO COMMENT !!!!
The ATC gave istructions for landing ( radar vector ) and , when the plane was at the minima , istructed the pilot to perform a go-around for birds presence .
After some others minuts in holding the ATC gave clearence for second approach and , when the plane arrive to the minima .....same story : go-around.
Observation : for your opinion it's more safe perform a landing or two go-around for birds ? For the ATC it's better perform a go around ???!!!!
At this time the commander ask for ETA and the controller replay undefined ....the commander ask if the airport was closed and the ATC say : no , but we have birds on the runway ..... The commander ask again : if the airport it's not close i like to land ....
They had a continously mismatch between ATC and Commander regarding the minings of frase : airport close or open ; for atc the airport was not closed but tecnically not available for landing .....
This was the reason why at the end the crew landed on Cagliari .
If the airport it's not closed , if a safety car it's not on the runway you cannot close an airport because some birds are flying around ....if every ATC close an airport or not only for birds reason the sistem will collapsed ...
This was a tipicaly Italian war , like the patetic war for visual approach, between Atc and Italian governament to induce the state to buy the anti-birds sistem ......producing economic damage to airline company in the event to push them to make pressure on governament .....
Some days ago the ATC in Cagliari doesen't gave the take off clearence to an airplane because the weather was not good........
NO COMMENT !!!!
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I have never seen such an incompetent , poor , stupid ATC as the one in Cagliari.
I have flown around 4 continents and never seen anything like that. Flown several times there.
Completely agree with target fixated.
I have flown around 4 continents and never seen anything like that. Flown several times there.
Completely agree with target fixated.
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A-3TWENTY,
and I didn't tell you about the several times i actually called APP/TWR after landing to explain what ICAO doc. 4444 states about visual approaches, about information to be passed on to airborne traffic, about flight procedures and what their role as ATCO's should be (to expedite air traffic safely and efficently)...a total waste of time to be honest.
and I didn't tell you about the several times i actually called APP/TWR after landing to explain what ICAO doc. 4444 states about visual approaches, about information to be passed on to airborne traffic, about flight procedures and what their role as ATCO's should be (to expedite air traffic safely and efficently)...a total waste of time to be honest.
