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[quote]'rednecks' and their instant xenophobic 'solutions' <hr></blockquote>
With the utmost due respect Capt Pprune, the "r" and "x" words are used excessively these days, to the point of becoming irrelevant in any debate, and indeed are commonly used as a tool to stifle free speech and thought by the PC police.
I'm certainly not a redneck or racist, and consider myself at the opposing side of the scale to being a xenophobic.
My creed is live and let live. I don't care who your god is, or what colour your skin is - just do your own thing in peace and don't mess with other peoples lives.
Anyone who commits, or attempts to commit such acts reneges on any rights that being part of the human race affords them.
Right wing, Left wing, Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Hindu, White, Black, Purple or Orange makes not an iota of difference in my eyes - these are not relevant.
What is relevant is that normal people can't go about their lives without some mentally challenged fools trying to blow them into small pieces.
With the utmost due respect Capt Pprune, the "r" and "x" words are used excessively these days, to the point of becoming irrelevant in any debate, and indeed are commonly used as a tool to stifle free speech and thought by the PC police.
I'm certainly not a redneck or racist, and consider myself at the opposing side of the scale to being a xenophobic.
My creed is live and let live. I don't care who your god is, or what colour your skin is - just do your own thing in peace and don't mess with other peoples lives.
Anyone who commits, or attempts to commit such acts reneges on any rights that being part of the human race affords them.
Right wing, Left wing, Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Hindu, White, Black, Purple or Orange makes not an iota of difference in my eyes - these are not relevant.
What is relevant is that normal people can't go about their lives without some mentally challenged fools trying to blow them into small pieces.
Superpilot, your stuff may look great written down on a page. All very correct and ideal. Here in the REAL World. One of the greatest atrocities of our lifetime took place in NY on September 11th. It was perpetrated by Islamic Fanatics who were eh, Isalmic and Fanatical. How you expect the realistic people of the World to react.
lets just call a spade a spade and not a shovel.
best make it three spoonfuls this time dear!
lets just call a spade a spade and not a shovel.
best make it three spoonfuls this time dear!
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They are going to have to start x raying the punters soon,
It won't be long before one of these lunatics takes a leaf out of the cocaine hauler book and swallows half a dozen condoms filled with semtex.
If I can figure a couple of ways of detonating something like that, so can they.
ps, I hope that this thought had occured to the security bods.
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It won't be long before one of these lunatics takes a leaf out of the cocaine hauler book and swallows half a dozen condoms filled with semtex.
If I can figure a couple of ways of detonating something like that, so can they.
ps, I hope that this thought had occured to the security bods.
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Yeh, well like it or not Superpilot all those involved in the hijackings fitted that bill. So far in Afghanistan only two white caucasians have been found.
Living in an Arab country I know where their sympathies lie, never mind the statements made in the UK press by 'British' citizens.
Without wishing to open up this topic, on the subject of the B'ham 4. I knew a DI who was on the infamous serious crimes squad who investigated them. He was convinced to his dying day they were guilty. One of the four actually led him to a cache of explosives.He was incidentally also living under another identity as he was at risk from the IRA. Funny how they were interested in him if he the B'ham four were all innocent! So much for smart assed lawyers and media campaigns about the 'innocent'.
Lenin once said freedom was a commodity so precious it has to be rationed. Maybe he was right.
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Living in an Arab country I know where their sympathies lie, never mind the statements made in the UK press by 'British' citizens.
Without wishing to open up this topic, on the subject of the B'ham 4. I knew a DI who was on the infamous serious crimes squad who investigated them. He was convinced to his dying day they were guilty. One of the four actually led him to a cache of explosives.He was incidentally also living under another identity as he was at risk from the IRA. Funny how they were interested in him if he the B'ham four were all innocent! So much for smart assed lawyers and media campaigns about the 'innocent'.
Lenin once said freedom was a commodity so precious it has to be rationed. Maybe he was right.
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A redneck speaks:
You gotta kill the spider by striking at the body, not the pincers.... Much talk about "sleeper cells" but I'd bet that autonomy's not a big priority with these guys. Where is OBL?
Also - supposedly 20,000 men have attended the Al Queda training camps. Why not concentrate on them? Why not develop a profile of THEM - surely the vast majority come from just a few nations and are of a certain age. All are male.
Remember, Danny et al, we are not talking about detaining those who are profiled. 10% of passengers are pulled out at the gate and searched anyway - why not apply a small amount of reason to whom the guards will spend time on? By the way, it is NOT random now - if you are a deadheading pilot you will most certainly be pulled out of line and searched (one way travel is a big flag).
One final thing (God help me I just gotta say this): if any of these terrorists had applied at United back when they were hiring, their application would have gone into a special pile and they would have been interviewed with much less flying qualifications than guys like meself. So profiling has already been endorsed in this industry, no?
You gotta kill the spider by striking at the body, not the pincers.... Much talk about "sleeper cells" but I'd bet that autonomy's not a big priority with these guys. Where is OBL?
Also - supposedly 20,000 men have attended the Al Queda training camps. Why not concentrate on them? Why not develop a profile of THEM - surely the vast majority come from just a few nations and are of a certain age. All are male.
Remember, Danny et al, we are not talking about detaining those who are profiled. 10% of passengers are pulled out at the gate and searched anyway - why not apply a small amount of reason to whom the guards will spend time on? By the way, it is NOT random now - if you are a deadheading pilot you will most certainly be pulled out of line and searched (one way travel is a big flag).
One final thing (God help me I just gotta say this): if any of these terrorists had applied at United back when they were hiring, their application would have gone into a special pile and they would have been interviewed with much less flying qualifications than guys like meself. So profiling has already been endorsed in this industry, no?
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FFFlyer, the rationing of freedom is the goal of terrorists everywhere. All of the preboarding nonsense is precisely what they want. They hate us because we have created a good life for ourselves, one that includes the freedom to go anywhere they with. Such a life is impossible in their homelands (thanks to their leaders), so they try to "equalize" things by making us as miserable as they are. They cannot build, so they figure destroying is the next best thing.
As for profiling, it's just good sense. Here in Toronto there are many muslims who've mentioned that their imams are calling press conferences in English to condemn terrorism, then taking to their pulpits every Friday to call for jihad. Many mosques in North America have been engaging in fundraising for terrorist groups, usually without the knowledge of their members. It doesn't help when they hide their activities behind the government's policy of multiculturalism; just one week after it was revealed that a government-sponsored cummunity group was buying arms for the Tamil Tigers, a federal cabinet minister was the guest speaker at one of their fundraising dinners.
As for profiling, it's just good sense. Here in Toronto there are many muslims who've mentioned that their imams are calling press conferences in English to condemn terrorism, then taking to their pulpits every Friday to call for jihad. Many mosques in North America have been engaging in fundraising for terrorist groups, usually without the knowledge of their members. It doesn't help when they hide their activities behind the government's policy of multiculturalism; just one week after it was revealed that a government-sponsored cummunity group was buying arms for the Tamil Tigers, a federal cabinet minister was the guest speaker at one of their fundraising dinners.
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Sqwk, much of the anti-western feeling in the Arab world originates in envy, I agree.
However the motives of the terrorists go far deeper. Envy doesn't make somebody take their own life for a cause, however misguided that is. From my observation certain 'belief systems' lend themselves to being misused for this purpose. That's not to say those systems are wrong....
Recent surveys in the UK have revealed much similar views amongst certain parts of the population to those in Canada.
All a bit off topic....
However the motives of the terrorists go far deeper. Envy doesn't make somebody take their own life for a cause, however misguided that is. From my observation certain 'belief systems' lend themselves to being misused for this purpose. That's not to say those systems are wrong....
Recent surveys in the UK have revealed much similar views amongst certain parts of the population to those in Canada.
All a bit off topic....
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El Grifo check your mail. I'm not going to respond to the above cos this thread will just degenerate into another long religious debate. For those of you still in the "It's us against them" frame of mind I suggest you take some of this: <a href="http://www.insaneinthemembrane.org/killerdiseases/prozac.zip" target="_blank">www.insaneinthemembrane.org/killerdiseases/prozac.zip</a> <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
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As the content of this thread has diverged from the main title it is time to close it. There are plenty of other websites where you can debate the minutae of race, religion and politics, especially as the are intertwined with the current security climate and airlines.
