New Virgin Route - Brave or reckless?
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New Virgin Route - Brave or reckless?
London-based Virgin Atlantic Airways, the second British carrier on the lucrative London-Lagos route, yesterday made its maiden flight to Nigeria, breaking two decades of monopoly of the route by British Airways.
The Boeing 747-200, with on board the chairman of the airline, Sir Richard Branson and senior officials of Virgin, was received by Nigerian Aviation Minister Kiema Chikwe and other senior government officials when it landed at the Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport yesterday morning in the capital Abuja.
The aircraft then flew down to the country's commercial capital Lagos.
Branson said that Virgin's flight to Nigeria was historic for the bilateral relations between Britain and the West African country.
Meanwhile, Chikwe said that the agreement allowing Virgin fly the heavily-used London-Lagos route was "a welcome development" as the competition would bring benefit of choice to Nigerians.
During his stay in Abuja, Branson met with Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo, who described Virgin's entry into Nigeria's aviation market will "bring the gap created by the British Airways monopoly".
Obasanjo also urged the Virgin to explore other areas in Nigeria that could be of mutual benefit for the two countries.
Nigeria and Britain last April signed a "dual designation" agreement, in which both countries allow two airlines to operate on the Lagos-London route. The Lagos service is Virgin's third African route and its 22nd destination in all.
The Boeing 747-200, with on board the chairman of the airline, Sir Richard Branson and senior officials of Virgin, was received by Nigerian Aviation Minister Kiema Chikwe and other senior government officials when it landed at the Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport yesterday morning in the capital Abuja.
The aircraft then flew down to the country's commercial capital Lagos.
Branson said that Virgin's flight to Nigeria was historic for the bilateral relations between Britain and the West African country.
Meanwhile, Chikwe said that the agreement allowing Virgin fly the heavily-used London-Lagos route was "a welcome development" as the competition would bring benefit of choice to Nigerians.
During his stay in Abuja, Branson met with Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo, who described Virgin's entry into Nigeria's aviation market will "bring the gap created by the British Airways monopoly".
Obasanjo also urged the Virgin to explore other areas in Nigeria that could be of mutual benefit for the two countries.
Nigeria and Britain last April signed a "dual designation" agreement, in which both countries allow two airlines to operate on the Lagos-London route. The Lagos service is Virgin's third African route and its 22nd destination in all.
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Sorry but could not help but to reply to this one. As a Virgin FA I am personally not very happy about going to Lagos. Eventhough the route is being operated by an Atlants crew at the moment we all know that we at mainline will eventually have to do the flights. I have spoke to many of our crew about it and non of us are too happy about going to Lagos after all the horror stories that we have heard.
The company will have a long way to go to make the crew feel at ease flying to Lagos. Most of us are afraid that it is the only flt we will ever be called on stby for as everyone will threaten to phone in sick for it. We will have to wait and see what happends. What do our flt deck thinck about the route, pls let me know. Would be good to get the opinions of you gents.
The company will have a long way to go to make the crew feel at ease flying to Lagos. Most of us are afraid that it is the only flt we will ever be called on stby for as everyone will threaten to phone in sick for it. We will have to wait and see what happends. What do our flt deck thinck about the route, pls let me know. Would be good to get the opinions of you gents.
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The service will be operated by Air Atlanta until November, using the aircraft that has been doing the VS Caribbean routes since January this year. The Caribbean routes return to VS mainline this month. Air Atlanta will supply all but 2 of the cabin crew for each flight (rather than just one on the Caribbean). The company has not yet announced what happens after November.
None of the (VS) flight deck on the Classic are particularly happy with the idea of going to Lagos!
None of the (VS) flight deck on the Classic are particularly happy with the idea of going to Lagos!
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Sorry folks but cant help having a giggle at the concerns raised by my colleagues at VS....for most of the cabin crew (Im certain this is true for our flight crew colleagues) operating our LOS services isnt a problem. Many of us prefer them to statesides....no time change, 6 hours each way - easy flying. Fair enough the airport is a hole, but its certainly easy enough to negotiate - no shuttle trains to take & no queues at immigration, also the d/free shops are very cheap. The hotel we use at BA is close to the airport is cleaner & service has been improved over the last couple of years - both KLM & AF also stay there.
For cabin crew the flights are extremely busy, but as long as you are on the same wavelength at the nigerian pax they are hard work but fun....Nigerian pax will walk over anyone they see as being weak...my advice....give as good as you get & always laugh with them & never at them.....
See you all in Goodies at the Sheraton...
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For cabin crew the flights are extremely busy, but as long as you are on the same wavelength at the nigerian pax they are hard work but fun....Nigerian pax will walk over anyone they see as being weak...my advice....give as good as you get & always laugh with them & never at them.....
See you all in Goodies at the Sheraton...
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There are certainly some tales to tell about aircrew and the Lagos experience.
Ask Lufthansa about the time when one of their crews was held up at gunpoint in transit twixt Hotel and A/P. They were robbed of every possession bar their underwear as I recall. Must say the way they handled it after the event was amazingly funny, though I feel sure they were far from amused at the time. Most crews who have any real experience of the place just don't try to tell others their tales ... for fear of simply not being believed. Perhaps that says it all.
I would deeply mistrust the post above by the 'lady from Sussex' who purports to be happy BA C/C. More likely to be one of your own senior administrators attempting to pour oil on the soon to be troubled waters.
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There are certainly some tales to tell about aircrew and the Lagos experience.
Ask Lufthansa about the time when one of their crews was held up at gunpoint in transit twixt Hotel and A/P. They were robbed of every possession bar their underwear as I recall. Must say the way they handled it after the event was amazingly funny, though I feel sure they were far from amused at the time. Most crews who have any real experience of the place just don't try to tell others their tales ... for fear of simply not being believed. Perhaps that says it all.
I would deeply mistrust the post above by the 'lady from Sussex' who purports to be happy BA C/C. More likely to be one of your own senior administrators attempting to pour oil on the soon to be troubled waters.
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tilii...firstly I'm a guy & if I was a woman Id be no lady ;-)) Secondly I was told by LH crew in DMM recently that you guys stay on Victoria Island which is some distance from the hotel, BA crew slip at a hotel in Ikeja 10-15 mins from the terminal to avoid the problems you describe...presumably the same goes for KL & AF.
Secondly, I am not a BA or VS manager(is it not fairly evident that I'm cabin crew for BA on Worldwide at LGW??), nor do I have any desire to be....and yes I do genuinely enjoy LOS flights for the resons I described earlier...much rather have a flight with no time change that is over before you know it than spending 13.5 hours cooped up on a 777 going to EZE with 8 hours still to go when you get back from the bunks!! Maybe things are different at LH....but at BA even the crew that dont enjoy them recognise the importance of the route which is right up at the top in terms of profits...and we do have much worse trips...HRE certainly isnt safe at the moment..ABJ got a little hairy last year...DEN n/stop 7hr time change & long journey 2 & from airport...10day LUN trips...and the ultimate punishment trip...the 4day DMM
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Secondly, I am not a BA or VS manager(is it not fairly evident that I'm cabin crew for BA on Worldwide at LGW??), nor do I have any desire to be....and yes I do genuinely enjoy LOS flights for the resons I described earlier...much rather have a flight with no time change that is over before you know it than spending 13.5 hours cooped up on a 777 going to EZE with 8 hours still to go when you get back from the bunks!! Maybe things are different at LH....but at BA even the crew that dont enjoy them recognise the importance of the route which is right up at the top in terms of profits...and we do have much worse trips...HRE certainly isnt safe at the moment..ABJ got a little hairy last year...DEN n/stop 7hr time change & long journey 2 & from airport...10day LUN trips...and the ultimate punishment trip...the 4day DMM
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Why Lagos? We need the money, or at least the boss needs it to take out of the airline yet again to support yet another venture, this time it's mobile phones in the US.. doesn't he know they've all got one?
Anyway, Lagos has been muted for quite a while but, up until now, has been considered too risky. 'IF' you get the money in the bank in advance, there's money to be made on the route. It is not a hub, not a potential holiday destination, just a cash cow, which could be eaten at any time.
Air Atlanta has begun the route, and if it looks OK, I guess we, the main company bit, are supposed to take it on in November, BUT, as was mentioned, it could be postponed.
For Lagos as a destination, BA have and KLM have been doing it long enough to know that it isn't as bad as we at VA have been led to believe. There are problems, but they are not exclusive to Lagos...Miami/Caribbean, and there's no Banana Republic or Costco, bottom line is RB needs the cash.
Anyway, Lagos has been muted for quite a while but, up until now, has been considered too risky. 'IF' you get the money in the bank in advance, there's money to be made on the route. It is not a hub, not a potential holiday destination, just a cash cow, which could be eaten at any time.
Air Atlanta has begun the route, and if it looks OK, I guess we, the main company bit, are supposed to take it on in November, BUT, as was mentioned, it could be postponed.
For Lagos as a destination, BA have and KLM have been doing it long enough to know that it isn't as bad as we at VA have been led to believe. There are problems, but they are not exclusive to Lagos...Miami/Caribbean, and there's no Banana Republic or Costco, bottom line is RB needs the cash.
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I think you will find that Air Atlanta will be operating the route for anything upto a year. Regardless of peoples problems with going to Lagos this is money that should be paid to VS crews and not to a foreign based operator!
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Jeffrey Archers Friend, I think TF-ABA is the Air Atlanta aircraft doing the job... Hope it's had a bit of a facelift inside since its recent Iberia services..!?
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Lagos airport today is nothing like the image it has from years gone by. Sure, there are all sorts of horror stories but most will be quite dated by now.
As mentioned, the Sheraton is close by and of a reasonable standard. Travelling further into town at night has its risks, then again Bradford isn't to clever at the moment.
The route makes money hand over fist for all that ply it, I imagine Sabena would have disapeared long ago with out it.
As mentioned, the Sheraton is close by and of a reasonable standard. Travelling further into town at night has its risks, then again Bradford isn't to clever at the moment.
The route makes money hand over fist for all that ply it, I imagine Sabena would have disapeared long ago with out it.
