American MD80 taxied 2 slowly for management, Capt. suspended
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Do the math....
So, after the American Airlines pilots took massive pay cuts....as did most airline pilots in the U.S. (post 9-11).... management took massive pay increases and bonuses.
So, before the pay cuts, a guy was making, say, $100,000 U.S.D. per year. Next, he takes a 35% pay cut. That drops him down to $65,000 U.S.D. per year.
Seeing management get massive compensation as a reward for convincing APA that the pay cuts were necessary for the company to survive, the pilots demand a 53.8% pay increase. This brings them back to $100,000 U.S.D. per year.
Management tells the press that the militant union pukes are going to ruin the company by demanding a 53% pay increase. Then, they (management) give themselves another bonus for being so clever with the media.
It's a never-ending cycle...broken only by solidarity among the union ranks.
Many refer to union members as 'thugs'....but, remember the first worker violence in this country (big business vs. organized labor) was with Henry Ford. As an assembly line worker, all you had to do was dream of a union, and Henry would have his 'guards' break both your legs. (No kidding!!!)
Fly safe,
PantLoad
So, before the pay cuts, a guy was making, say, $100,000 U.S.D. per year. Next, he takes a 35% pay cut. That drops him down to $65,000 U.S.D. per year.
Seeing management get massive compensation as a reward for convincing APA that the pay cuts were necessary for the company to survive, the pilots demand a 53.8% pay increase. This brings them back to $100,000 U.S.D. per year.
Management tells the press that the militant union pukes are going to ruin the company by demanding a 53% pay increase. Then, they (management) give themselves another bonus for being so clever with the media.
It's a never-ending cycle...broken only by solidarity among the union ranks.
Many refer to union members as 'thugs'....but, remember the first worker violence in this country (big business vs. organized labor) was with Henry Ford. As an assembly line worker, all you had to do was dream of a union, and Henry would have his 'guards' break both your legs. (No kidding!!!)
Fly safe,
PantLoad
Taxi Speeds
A bit off topic, but always had a chuckle at the ATC call: (after a brief hold on a taxiway) "Ryanair xxxx after the KLM 737 has taxied out you are cleared to hurtle on to stand 1".
The aircraft in question had done a good Alonso impression until asked to hold for his stand. (Sorry, this wan't Ryanair bashing, just funny...)
The aircraft in question had done a good Alonso impression until asked to hold for his stand. (Sorry, this wan't Ryanair bashing, just funny...)
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I wish APA would post the wages the CEO of American got in 1992 and what he gets now, and the percentage change.
I would put circa 1992 as the END of the good old days of airline flying.
What happened about then to screw things up? ( approx time of first gulf war, approx start of clinton presidency,aprox rise of frank lorenzo,aprox major strike at eastern)
I would put circa 1992 as the END of the good old days of airline flying.
What happened about then to screw things up? ( approx time of first gulf war, approx start of clinton presidency,aprox rise of frank lorenzo,aprox major strike at eastern)
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sevenstrollroll,
Here you go:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION PROPOSES PAY RESTORATION FOR
AMERICAN AIRLINES PILOTS; CITES MEMBERSHIP MANDATE,
DRAMATIC INCREASE IN MANAGEMENT COMPENSATION
‘Inflation has steadily eroded our purchasing power’
Fort Worth, Texas (October 23, 2007)—The Allied Pilots Association (APA),
representing the 12,000 pilots of American Airlines (NYSE: AMR), presented a pay
proposal to the carrier’s management today that is designed to restore the pilots’ lost
purchasing power.
Current American Airlines pilot pay rates are slightly lower than what they were
in 1992, with inflation eroding the pilots’ purchasing power by more than 33 percent
since that time. APA’s proposal calls for adjusting current pay rates to account for post-
1992 annual inflation, as reflected by the Consumer Price Index.
American Airlines management rejected an earlier pay proposal APA’s previous
leadership made in May. Shortly thereafter, the membership elected its current national
officers by the widest margin and with the largest voter turnout in APA history. Upon
taking office, the newly elected leadership commissioned a survey of the membership
regarding the ongoing contract negotiations with American Airlines management.
“Our pilots were unequivocal in our recently concluded membership survey—it’s
time to restore their purchasing power,” said APA President Captain Lloyd Hill.
“Moreover, that erosion accelerated dramatically for our pilots and their families with the
deep concessions we made beginning in 2003.”
Hill pointed out that the majority of American Airlines’ pilots have been with the
airline since the early 1990s, which means that pilots have endured an ongoing decline in
their standard of living for much of their careers with the carrier.
“In sharp contrast to what our pilots have endured, American Airlines
management has given itself what amounts to an exponential increase in compensation
over the same period. What we are seeking for our pilots doesn’t even begin to approach
management’s gains,” Hill said.
American Airlines’ five “Named Executive Officers” (as identified in documents
filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission) have experienced an increase of 469
percent in their total compensation since 1992. For the CEO, the increase has been even
more dramatic. In 1992, American Airlines CEO Robert Crandall’s total compensation
was $1,013,471. Current CEO Gerard Arpey’s total compensation for 2007 will be
$8,344,971—an increase of 723 percent, representing a 560 percent increase in
purchasing power.
“It is well past time to restore our pilots’ purchasing power,” Hill said. “After all,
management compensation has done much more than simply keep pace with inflation. By
any measure, the past 15 years have been extremely lucrative for our airline’s senior
executives.”
For more details regarding APA’s pay restoration proposal and other proposals
the union has made during the ongoing contract negotiations, go to
Home.
Founded in 1963, the Allied Pilots Association—the largest independent pilot
union in the U.S.—is headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas. APA represents the 12,000
pilots of American Airlines, including 2,570 pilots on furlough. The furloughs began
shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks. Also, several hundred American Airlines
pilots are on full-time military leave of absence serving in the armed forces. The union’s
Web site address is Welcome to the Allied Pilots Association.
American Airlines is the nation’s largest passenger carrier.
# # #
Here you go:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION PROPOSES PAY RESTORATION FOR
AMERICAN AIRLINES PILOTS; CITES MEMBERSHIP MANDATE,
DRAMATIC INCREASE IN MANAGEMENT COMPENSATION
‘Inflation has steadily eroded our purchasing power’
Fort Worth, Texas (October 23, 2007)—The Allied Pilots Association (APA),
representing the 12,000 pilots of American Airlines (NYSE: AMR), presented a pay
proposal to the carrier’s management today that is designed to restore the pilots’ lost
purchasing power.
Current American Airlines pilot pay rates are slightly lower than what they were
in 1992, with inflation eroding the pilots’ purchasing power by more than 33 percent
since that time. APA’s proposal calls for adjusting current pay rates to account for post-
1992 annual inflation, as reflected by the Consumer Price Index.
American Airlines management rejected an earlier pay proposal APA’s previous
leadership made in May. Shortly thereafter, the membership elected its current national
officers by the widest margin and with the largest voter turnout in APA history. Upon
taking office, the newly elected leadership commissioned a survey of the membership
regarding the ongoing contract negotiations with American Airlines management.
“Our pilots were unequivocal in our recently concluded membership survey—it’s
time to restore their purchasing power,” said APA President Captain Lloyd Hill.
“Moreover, that erosion accelerated dramatically for our pilots and their families with the
deep concessions we made beginning in 2003.”
Hill pointed out that the majority of American Airlines’ pilots have been with the
airline since the early 1990s, which means that pilots have endured an ongoing decline in
their standard of living for much of their careers with the carrier.
“In sharp contrast to what our pilots have endured, American Airlines
management has given itself what amounts to an exponential increase in compensation
over the same period. What we are seeking for our pilots doesn’t even begin to approach
management’s gains,” Hill said.
American Airlines’ five “Named Executive Officers” (as identified in documents
filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission) have experienced an increase of 469
percent in their total compensation since 1992. For the CEO, the increase has been even
more dramatic. In 1992, American Airlines CEO Robert Crandall’s total compensation
was $1,013,471. Current CEO Gerard Arpey’s total compensation for 2007 will be
$8,344,971—an increase of 723 percent, representing a 560 percent increase in
purchasing power.
“It is well past time to restore our pilots’ purchasing power,” Hill said. “After all,
management compensation has done much more than simply keep pace with inflation. By
any measure, the past 15 years have been extremely lucrative for our airline’s senior
executives.”
For more details regarding APA’s pay restoration proposal and other proposals
the union has made during the ongoing contract negotiations, go to
Home.
Founded in 1963, the Allied Pilots Association—the largest independent pilot
union in the U.S.—is headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas. APA represents the 12,000
pilots of American Airlines, including 2,570 pilots on furlough. The furloughs began
shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks. Also, several hundred American Airlines
pilots are on full-time military leave of absence serving in the armed forces. The union’s
Web site address is Welcome to the Allied Pilots Association.
American Airlines is the nation’s largest passenger carrier.
# # #
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thanks
american pilots still need better PR...Media relations. And in every quote mention...400 percent pay raises for management while pilots, fa's etc. took pay cuts to survive the 911 attacks.
now, who is the patriot?
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american pilots still need better PR...Media relations. And in every quote mention...400 percent pay raises for management while pilots, fa's etc. took pay cuts to survive the 911 attacks.
now, who is the patriot?
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the problem with quoting these percentage increases and comparing pay packets is that there are hundreds if not thousands of pilots in the company, but only one CEO.
Okay, so the guy earns $8M, but there is only one of him/her. So in the big picture of things it's not a lot of money.
Also think of the decisions the dude makes in an average year, shall we hedge fuel or not, shall we pay 2.1% or 2.2% to cabin crew, shall we put the new maintenance base in LA or Seattle, shall we play hardball on the lease of the terminal at JFK or not, shall we close all South American routes or cut back on Europe,777 or A350 x15, etc etc etc.
The decisions, made correctly, by the CEO, are worth tens of millions if not hundreds of millions PER decision. So I think they earn the big bucks, if they do a good job.
And don't trot out the old "we have 200 passengers lives in our hands all day". we know, it's no doubt a difficult job with it's own challenges and so forth, but there is an entire system and backups to ensure those 200 passengers arrive safely over and over again.
And, in the good old fashioned capitalistic system we live in, if you want the £8M then prove you have the skills and start climbing the greasy pole to be CEO. Willie did it at Aer Lingus and now BA....
G
Okay, so the guy earns $8M, but there is only one of him/her. So in the big picture of things it's not a lot of money.
Also think of the decisions the dude makes in an average year, shall we hedge fuel or not, shall we pay 2.1% or 2.2% to cabin crew, shall we put the new maintenance base in LA or Seattle, shall we play hardball on the lease of the terminal at JFK or not, shall we close all South American routes or cut back on Europe,777 or A350 x15, etc etc etc.
The decisions, made correctly, by the CEO, are worth tens of millions if not hundreds of millions PER decision. So I think they earn the big bucks, if they do a good job.
And don't trot out the old "we have 200 passengers lives in our hands all day". we know, it's no doubt a difficult job with it's own challenges and so forth, but there is an entire system and backups to ensure those 200 passengers arrive safely over and over again.
And, in the good old fashioned capitalistic system we live in, if you want the £8M then prove you have the skills and start climbing the greasy pole to be CEO. Willie did it at Aer Lingus and now BA....
G
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fine, but the percentage change from 16 years ago is the bad thing.
The CEO of American back then made the same decisions as the CEO now.
IF the pilots got a 10 percent raise from 16 years ago, the CEO can get the same percentage raise...but not hundreds of percent...that is the wrong thing.
fine, but the percentage change from 16 years ago is the bad thing.
The CEO of American back then made the same decisions as the CEO now.
IF the pilots got a 10 percent raise from 16 years ago, the CEO can get the same percentage raise...but not hundreds of percent...that is the wrong thing.
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Said it before...say it again...
Airline pilots' pay should be tied to executive compensation. There needs to be an independent auditing group that looks at and evaluates the TOTAL compensation package of the CEO (for example). Then, the pilots get a percentage of that.
For example, Arpey's $8.3M is probably much higher when you figure in ALL the benefits, perks, stock options, etc. I'll bet that $8.3M blows up to maybe $12M or more when everything is added in.
So, pay the captains 2.0% of that figure...first officers get 1.3%. Forget sick leave, vacation, pension, etc., etc. Just pay the MD-80 captain 2%. Surely Arpey is not worth more than 50 times what a Super 80 captain is worth!
For $240K per year, I'll provide my own pension savings, sick leave, etc. And, I'll be sure to have a pension at the end of my career, as well. (The executives will be unable to steal it!)
(No, I don't fly for American!)
Fly safe,
PantLoad
For example, Arpey's $8.3M is probably much higher when you figure in ALL the benefits, perks, stock options, etc. I'll bet that $8.3M blows up to maybe $12M or more when everything is added in.
So, pay the captains 2.0% of that figure...first officers get 1.3%. Forget sick leave, vacation, pension, etc., etc. Just pay the MD-80 captain 2%. Surely Arpey is not worth more than 50 times what a Super 80 captain is worth!
For $240K per year, I'll provide my own pension savings, sick leave, etc. And, I'll be sure to have a pension at the end of my career, as well. (The executives will be unable to steal it!)
(No, I don't fly for American!)
Fly safe,
PantLoad
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Here's the link to the FAA Safety website. You can send an email with the following info:
Contact the Aviation Safety Hotline
Date incident occured: May 30, 2008
Pilot in question: Captain Jeffery Bruce Osborne B737 DFW
Occurence: violation of FAR 121.542 Unneccessary use of cellphone during critical phase of flight while on an active runway 18L DFW Airport.
Contact the Aviation Safety Hotline
Date incident occured: May 30, 2008
Pilot in question: Captain Jeffery Bruce Osborne B737 DFW
Occurence: violation of FAR 121.542 Unneccessary use of cellphone during critical phase of flight while on an active runway 18L DFW Airport.
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Surprising that 411A (and myself) survived flying the 707 with non-existant CRM basics and lack of SOP for taxi speeds.
I'm told that the accused AA captain had an 'unfortunate date of hire' at Continental, is this true? Was he from Reno Air perhaps?
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I assume you mean no faster than "a man can walk" while in the vicinity of parked aircraft and no faster than "a man can trot" while on a published taxiway? Just to check.
