EasyJet Announces Gatwick Expansion
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fmgs - rather blinkered and the odd inaccuracy.
Long haul is great when it suits your personal circumstances - enjoyed it myself once but eventually got bored. Wife also got fed up not seeing me so twas time for a change.
As for those night TFS etc with JMC and the other charter boys - no thanks - I'll take the double AMS anytime - 4 quick sectors and going home after 6 or 7 hours - I know its a line from the ad but the flying really is fun! (don't tell the bean counters)
Horses for courses.
By the way you are inaccurate when you describe eJ as below average package - it beats many including some BA 73 guys I know. When you throw job security in then it probably beats almost all.
Long haul is great when it suits your personal circumstances - enjoyed it myself once but eventually got bored. Wife also got fed up not seeing me so twas time for a change.
As for those night TFS etc with JMC and the other charter boys - no thanks - I'll take the double AMS anytime - 4 quick sectors and going home after 6 or 7 hours - I know its a line from the ad but the flying really is fun! (don't tell the bean counters)
Horses for courses.
By the way you are inaccurate when you describe eJ as below average package - it beats many including some BA 73 guys I know. When you throw job security in then it probably beats almost all.
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Its a real mixed bag and although 6 on 3 off sounds harsh it can be made up of :
LPL-AMS vv 08.30-11.40
LPL-NCE vv 05.10-10.20
LPL-PMI vv 05.20-11.20
LPL-BCN vv 06.45-12.30
LPL-GVA vv 06.40-11.05
not to forget though
LPL-BCN-LPL-AMS-LPL 10.30-19.55
Its all in the rostering
LPL-AMS vv 08.30-11.40
LPL-NCE vv 05.10-10.20
LPL-PMI vv 05.20-11.20
LPL-BCN vv 06.45-12.30
LPL-GVA vv 06.40-11.05
not to forget though
LPL-BCN-LPL-AMS-LPL 10.30-19.55
Its all in the rostering
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FMGS,
I was wondering if I was the only sane person in the world.
I am glad to have met someone who is not so blinkered as many on this thread.
Gypsy:
All companies have ups and downs. Yours may be in an up. Mine may be in a down. Who knows?
Mad Max,
I guess you were lucky. Thank F£ck I will never meet you. Don't turn it into a personal attack by calling me names. Be warned.
Gypsy (again):
All companies must beware of shouting their mouths off too much. Job safety at the mo....yep. You have it. So did we last year. Remember that. It never does good to shout your mouth off at other people's misfortune in other companies.
If as your "leaders" imply, a 25% growth per year (which they quoted) I imagine your company will become very unstable very quickly. So don't make me remind you of your smart comments please in the future. I hope you thrive and prosper.
Your failure would be good for no one, neither would ours, so stop being such a smug bloke and wind your neck in please.
I still maintain, that I will take my chances where I am . Threats or not.
The Guvnor: Shouldn't you be trawling up some sh*t to bore us with here? The day you learn to talk out of your mouth I will be the emperor of China. Please pull your trousers back up. The deafening chatter emanating from your a?sehole is killing me.
Orange? Me? No, my blood flows green......the colour of pound notes as you may recall.
I was wondering if I was the only sane person in the world.
I am glad to have met someone who is not so blinkered as many on this thread.
Gypsy:
All companies have ups and downs. Yours may be in an up. Mine may be in a down. Who knows?
Mad Max,
I guess you were lucky. Thank F£ck I will never meet you. Don't turn it into a personal attack by calling me names. Be warned.
Gypsy (again):
All companies must beware of shouting their mouths off too much. Job safety at the mo....yep. You have it. So did we last year. Remember that. It never does good to shout your mouth off at other people's misfortune in other companies.
If as your "leaders" imply, a 25% growth per year (which they quoted) I imagine your company will become very unstable very quickly. So don't make me remind you of your smart comments please in the future. I hope you thrive and prosper.
Your failure would be good for no one, neither would ours, so stop being such a smug bloke and wind your neck in please.
I still maintain, that I will take my chances where I am . Threats or not.
The Guvnor: Shouldn't you be trawling up some sh*t to bore us with here? The day you learn to talk out of your mouth I will be the emperor of China. Please pull your trousers back up. The deafening chatter emanating from your a?sehole is killing me.
Orange? Me? No, my blood flows green......the colour of pound notes as you may recall.
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tailscrape - you still haven't got the message.
Nobody was shooting their mouths off - twonks like you come along and start making inaccurate babbles about ezy so don't be surprised if you get some response.
We are confident in our company and thats great not only for us but for the industry as a whole - our confidence is based upon the fact we have a pretty good idea about what is going on both commercially and financially within ezy - not some pep talk from management.
You've already mentioned your inexperience - it shows so until you've got some, the clever trick is watch, listen and learn. A lot goes on in this industry that you haven't even begun to understand.
PS: Thanks for your wisdom but I think Stelios is managing quite well without your advice on expansion
Nobody was shooting their mouths off - twonks like you come along and start making inaccurate babbles about ezy so don't be surprised if you get some response.
We are confident in our company and thats great not only for us but for the industry as a whole - our confidence is based upon the fact we have a pretty good idea about what is going on both commercially and financially within ezy - not some pep talk from management.
You've already mentioned your inexperience - it shows so until you've got some, the clever trick is watch, listen and learn. A lot goes on in this industry that you haven't even begun to understand.
PS: Thanks for your wisdom but I think Stelios is managing quite well without your advice on expansion
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Tailscrape; interesting opinions you have there. Questions: How many airlines have you worked for?(I have worked for, amongst others, both yours and easyjet) And where did you aquire such an amazing knowledge of the industry, and in particular, easyjet? Finally, how come such an interesting handle; personal experience, perhaps?
Keep posting, it makes us at probably the most secure and progressive airline in the industry feel smug and relieved that we don`t have to carry you and your attitude along with us at our workplace.
Come back in 12 months time; you may have reason to regret being so dismissive of Gypsy and his ilk.
Keep posting, it makes us at probably the most secure and progressive airline in the industry feel smug and relieved that we don`t have to carry you and your attitude along with us at our workplace.
Come back in 12 months time; you may have reason to regret being so dismissive of Gypsy and his ilk.
A while ago on this thread the Guv commented:
"....given a choice between EZY (expanding company going places) and Just Might Collapse flying 753s to TFS at zero dark hundred full of drunken yobbos... well, that's a pretty hard choice....."
Back in Sept, I pax'ed with JMC LGW-TFS on a 320
full of happy, well-behaved holiday-makers (mostly couples and young families like me). I was glad I wasn't travelling with the rowdy drunken rabble that turned up to board the EZY to AMS at the gate next to us.
Moral of this is, an airline cannot choose it's pax....all airlines offer at least some "cheap" fares (witness the latest BA offers), so risk attracting pax they would perhaps rather not carry given the choice.
"....given a choice between EZY (expanding company going places) and Just Might Collapse flying 753s to TFS at zero dark hundred full of drunken yobbos... well, that's a pretty hard choice....."
Back in Sept, I pax'ed with JMC LGW-TFS on a 320
full of happy, well-behaved holiday-makers (mostly couples and young families like me). I was glad I wasn't travelling with the rowdy drunken rabble that turned up to board the EZY to AMS at the gate next to us.
Moral of this is, an airline cannot choose it's pax....all airlines offer at least some "cheap" fares (witness the latest BA offers), so risk attracting pax they would perhaps rather not carry given the choice.
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Tailscraper, try to relax and stop behaving in a threatening manner.
As some others have indicated here, perhaps you have an "experience" problem. There are those amongst us who have done your job in the past for many years, often in charter companies that were run by "travel experts" - with great plans for the future and they all came to nought.
For many of us now the trick is to get home most nights and work for an employer that is actually employing more pilots rather than one that is looking to make redund... redu... NO, I'm sorry I cannot even bring myself to say the word - it is abhorrent to me and many of my colleagues.
Now go and take a Cool Tablet Brother and prepare for your next night TFS, or maybe HER, PFO anybody? (I hated PFO)
Max <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
As some others have indicated here, perhaps you have an "experience" problem. There are those amongst us who have done your job in the past for many years, often in charter companies that were run by "travel experts" - with great plans for the future and they all came to nought.
For many of us now the trick is to get home most nights and work for an employer that is actually employing more pilots rather than one that is looking to make redund... redu... NO, I'm sorry I cannot even bring myself to say the word - it is abhorrent to me and many of my colleagues.
Now go and take a Cool Tablet Brother and prepare for your next night TFS, or maybe HER, PFO anybody? (I hated PFO)
Max <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
SS, you wrote:
"or how about a jmc full of 18-30 yobs next to an orange 737 full of pax on their way to agp who all own their own property...."
Which illustrates the point I was making exactly....no airline has a monopoly on a particular "standard" of pax (think how often we hear high-profile stories about people misbehaving in F/J Class aswell!!)
I think you misunderstood me...I was trying to add some perspective, not get involved in a "who's airline is best" debate!
"or how about a jmc full of 18-30 yobs next to an orange 737 full of pax on their way to agp who all own their own property...."
Which illustrates the point I was making exactly....no airline has a monopoly on a particular "standard" of pax (think how often we hear high-profile stories about people misbehaving in F/J Class aswell!!)
I think you misunderstood me...I was trying to add some perspective, not get involved in a "who's airline is best" debate!
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Tailcrapper,
If I call you a name will you get me after school.
I'll recognize you as the stick thin pencil neck hiding in the saddows with the faint smell of bodily waste.
Don't give an opinion if the return hurts.
Above all don't issue threats.
To everyone else-Happy New Year,good luck,jobs, safe...etc
If I call you a name will you get me after school.
I'll recognize you as the stick thin pencil neck hiding in the saddows with the faint smell of bodily waste.
Don't give an opinion if the return hurts.
Above all don't issue threats.
To everyone else-Happy New Year,good luck,jobs, safe...etc
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I'm sick to death of all the crap thrown our way about how bad EZY are, about 'orange' etc etc etc
True, we're not perfect and often have hiccups ( like ANY other airline <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> ) and we don't profess otherwise ! We do try to deliver a solid product though ! It may not be to everyone's taste, but c'est la vie ! True, you may not like it but on the other hand you may do ! Either way - it's your choice !
It's simple - our aircraft are flown by normal, professional crews that may or may not have worked for other airlines, and may or may not move elsewhere after a stint here. Point is - they are normal aircrews !!! Just like the ones seen at airports around the world ! They do NOT have two heads, three arms, etc etc etc or are painted orange !
Our aircraft use jet-A1 like other aircraft - NOT orange juice as suggested !
We work to the same CAA/JAR-Ops rules as other carriers.
Safety is NEVER compromised !! In fact, some of our regs are more sringent than other carriers !
Whatever the commercial side get up to is nothing to do with us ! They do their thing, we do ours ! If you don't like the advertising / PR methods then that's fine by me ! Some of it makes me cringe if the truth be known !
NONE of us like seeing others lose their jobs or suffer any hardships. We're in the same game as you after all ! It could happen to anyone !
I personally though do get annoyed when we get slagged off for stuff beyond our control, and accused of being 'unsafe', 'unprofessional', etc etc etc.
So to all those that keep having a go all the time, ( charterguy, tailscrape etc ) give it a rest ! It's boring ! If we slagged off your companies all the time you'd snap back !
Just grow up ! <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
After Sep 11th, arguments about 'my airline is better than yours' are trivial, abusive and insensitive to the extreme !! <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
Oh and any chance of keeping topics relevent to their title ??
[ 03 January 2002: Message edited by: ghost-rider ]</p>
True, we're not perfect and often have hiccups ( like ANY other airline <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> ) and we don't profess otherwise ! We do try to deliver a solid product though ! It may not be to everyone's taste, but c'est la vie ! True, you may not like it but on the other hand you may do ! Either way - it's your choice !
It's simple - our aircraft are flown by normal, professional crews that may or may not have worked for other airlines, and may or may not move elsewhere after a stint here. Point is - they are normal aircrews !!! Just like the ones seen at airports around the world ! They do NOT have two heads, three arms, etc etc etc or are painted orange !
Our aircraft use jet-A1 like other aircraft - NOT orange juice as suggested !
We work to the same CAA/JAR-Ops rules as other carriers.
Safety is NEVER compromised !! In fact, some of our regs are more sringent than other carriers !
Whatever the commercial side get up to is nothing to do with us ! They do their thing, we do ours ! If you don't like the advertising / PR methods then that's fine by me ! Some of it makes me cringe if the truth be known !
NONE of us like seeing others lose their jobs or suffer any hardships. We're in the same game as you after all ! It could happen to anyone !
I personally though do get annoyed when we get slagged off for stuff beyond our control, and accused of being 'unsafe', 'unprofessional', etc etc etc.
So to all those that keep having a go all the time, ( charterguy, tailscrape etc ) give it a rest ! It's boring ! If we slagged off your companies all the time you'd snap back !
Just grow up ! <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
After Sep 11th, arguments about 'my airline is better than yours' are trivial, abusive and insensitive to the extreme !! <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
Oh and any chance of keeping topics relevent to their title ??
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Well said Ghost!!
Some of you guys should read back over what has been written and ask yourselves if that is how you want your fellow professionals, junior collegues and passengers to perceive you!
Prune can be the source of a lot of useful info and some interesting rumours. It should not be place for people, who should have better things to do with their time, to vent their spleen on strangers.
Have a happy and safe 2002.......Everyone!!
Some of you guys should read back over what has been written and ask yourselves if that is how you want your fellow professionals, junior collegues and passengers to perceive you!
Prune can be the source of a lot of useful info and some interesting rumours. It should not be place for people, who should have better things to do with their time, to vent their spleen on strangers.
Have a happy and safe 2002.......Everyone!!
Hi Guys - just a message - hopefully not too out of place as I'm a Flight Attendant - I've 12 years experience with BM as a senior cabin crew member, besides some flying with AIH, and six years dispatching at BA - following the closure of BA at BFS, I'm about to join the c/c base with EZY at BFS where I am told the first intake are made up of a very experienced bunch. I just wanted to say I'm excited by the future, satisfied with the rewards on paper and looking forward to offering true 'Customer Service' as opposed to 'In-Flight Service', which invariably consisted of serving dodgy bucks fizz, de-clingfilming Russian salads and chasing frozen peas across the flotex in the galley!
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Couple of buddies did the interview last month. They both passed but were amazed at the seriousness and depth of the questions and excercises. OK it's a buyer's market for airlines wanting pilots right now but it still takes effort, time and money to select the best on offer. That seems to me to be a good sign and a crass opposite so some of the "cheap and nasty" comments above. The fleet is very new and well maintained too.
Now where were we - Gatwick - a good place to pick up south of the Thames pax - will expand - won't replace LTN.
Now where were we - Gatwick - a good place to pick up south of the Thames pax - will expand - won't replace LTN.
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Geeez,
I don't believe you low cost boys...... I go away for a week and when I come back, you're still at it. I'm surprised that Mad Max, eaZys bullsh!t spin doctor (and total toZZer) took so long to pitch in though.
As I said 3 pages and 8 days ago............
"why not take that big chip off your shoulder – accept you’re at the bottom of the big aviation barrel and get on with it. If you’re not able to do this, then apply for a proper job – unless of course you already have, and got turned down".
Mad Max knows what it's like to get turned down by the proper airlines and look how he's turned out. Even more profound when you see that Max almost always counters genuine critics with "you are only anti easyJet 'cos you didn't you get in ?" (see above and 20 + other posts of his)
So stop encouraging these people and just get on with it - The industry really doesn't need any more like him. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
Toodle Pip, Gussy.
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I don't believe you low cost boys...... I go away for a week and when I come back, you're still at it. I'm surprised that Mad Max, eaZys bullsh!t spin doctor (and total toZZer) took so long to pitch in though.
As I said 3 pages and 8 days ago............
"why not take that big chip off your shoulder – accept you’re at the bottom of the big aviation barrel and get on with it. If you’re not able to do this, then apply for a proper job – unless of course you already have, and got turned down".
Mad Max knows what it's like to get turned down by the proper airlines and look how he's turned out. Even more profound when you see that Max almost always counters genuine critics with "you are only anti easyJet 'cos you didn't you get in ?" (see above and 20 + other posts of his)
So stop encouraging these people and just get on with it - The industry really doesn't need any more like him. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
Toodle Pip, Gussy.
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To all you eJ boys/girls who want to be so upset.
I also get home most nights. That is because (certainly now in winter) I do not leave my house. I still get paid full salary and have a lovely relaxed chilled life. Unlike you.
Mad Max. You are the one who became personal and aggressive. Perhaps your failure to move above your current circle of influence bothers you? So, why don't you calm down and stop being aggressive? you start calling people offensive names and you will get a response....mine was measured and reasonable.
I have no idea who you may be and I don't want to.
Enjoy your 4 sectors tomorrow. I will enjoy my 2 and still get paid as much as, if not more than I would if I worked at your place. Oh, I will be in the pub by 9 p.m. tomorrow night. Following a noon check in.
Doesn't sound too bad does it?
I don't recall having to pass a test to see if you will run like lemmings in the same direction at eJ....perhaps they indoctrinate you with that during line training?!?!?
Goodbye. ( I do so enjoy the banter with you lot.) <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
I also get home most nights. That is because (certainly now in winter) I do not leave my house. I still get paid full salary and have a lovely relaxed chilled life. Unlike you.
Mad Max. You are the one who became personal and aggressive. Perhaps your failure to move above your current circle of influence bothers you? So, why don't you calm down and stop being aggressive? you start calling people offensive names and you will get a response....mine was measured and reasonable.
I have no idea who you may be and I don't want to.
Enjoy your 4 sectors tomorrow. I will enjoy my 2 and still get paid as much as, if not more than I would if I worked at your place. Oh, I will be in the pub by 9 p.m. tomorrow night. Following a noon check in.
Doesn't sound too bad does it?
I don't recall having to pass a test to see if you will run like lemmings in the same direction at eJ....perhaps they indoctrinate you with that during line training?!?!?
Goodbye. ( I do so enjoy the banter with you lot.) <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
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I too will be checking in at midday, but i shall be in the pub by 6pm having finished my 2 sectors, whilst you'll still be at FL350 struggling with the Sun crossword !!!!! Grow up.......this does neither you or your company any credit!
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