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u bet the delay is unseemly. just wondering that we in pprune have so far filled nearly 80 pages of thread and are still none the wiser than we were six months ago. 
re my typin i was being modest about my laziness in picking caps . flying wise im happy to inform u that big jets merely require basic typing data input from keypads . knobs and buttons are much more user friendly
re my typin i was being modest about my laziness in picking caps . flying wise im happy to inform u that big jets merely require basic typing data input from keypads . knobs and buttons are much more user friendly
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Don't worry about Pprune 80 filled pages, some posts are regularly removed...
Still I would appreciate some update regarding the crew's behavior between the initial loss of power and AP disconnection. Any idea about when they noticed it, how they announced it and did they leave the AP on on purpose ?
Come on, this should be known by the time, simply with the CVR, and especially since they received the BA safety medal.
How do BA expect this medal to be considered serious if they don't release the appropriate info ?
Please don't remove this message (unless my question is too much embarrassing of course).
Still I would appreciate some update regarding the crew's behavior between the initial loss of power and AP disconnection. Any idea about when they noticed it, how they announced it and did they leave the AP on on purpose ?
Come on, this should be known by the time, simply with the CVR, and especially since they received the BA safety medal.
How do BA expect this medal to be considered serious if they don't release the appropriate info ?
Please don't remove this message (unless my question is too much embarrassing of course).
Controversial, moi?
re my typin i was being modest about my laziness in picking caps .
Just plain bad manners in my book but hey, what do you care?
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Couldn't agree more M.Mouse, moderating a very busy forum, I get pretty peeved with lower case texting whena full keyboard is provided and supported.
Dyslexia one can usually spot and allow for (getting very common), but am intolerant of ALL CAPS and texting styles - its dumbing down and where does it all end, in the gutter with readers having to to do the hard work... there is a good reason written English has punctuation
Dyslexia one can usually spot and allow for (getting very common), but am intolerant of ALL CAPS and texting styles - its dumbing down and where does it all end, in the gutter with readers having to to do the hard work... there is a good reason written English has punctuation
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Not that this thread needs it, but add my $0.02 support to advocacy for proper communication. 
If a poster can't organize his words, does not that call into question the ability to organize thoughts?
If a poster can't organize his words, does not that call into question the ability to organize thoughts?
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What kind of communication are referring to ?
80 pages of posts, unavailable CVRs or crew statements and all we get after 6 months is BA's safety medal for the crew.
Is there at least any information published on when did the crew notice the problem and on what they did do with their 4 free hands while the AP was flying the aircraft from 720 till disconnection at 175 ft ?
I think after 6 months these question deserved to be answered...
80 pages of posts, unavailable CVRs or crew statements and all we get after 6 months is BA's safety medal for the crew.
Is there at least any information published on when did the crew notice the problem and on what they did do with their 4 free hands while the AP was flying the aircraft from 720 till disconnection at 175 ft ?
I think after 6 months these question deserved to be answered...
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Why do you keep banging on about this award? Upset because you didn't get one?
The AAIB have issued their preliminary findings so your comment about waiting six months is really just posturing. I don't know which part of the world you're from but here on the mainland things get done properly. The report will be issued when there's something pertinent to say. You should try that approach sometime.
Why do you keep banging on about this award? Upset because you didn't get one?
The AAIB have issued their preliminary findings so your comment about waiting six months is really just posturing. I don't know which part of the world you're from but here on the mainland things get done properly. The report will be issued when there's something pertinent to say. You should try that approach sometime.
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I have nothing against the award which values only when the related actions are available...
I understand the AAIB may need time to investigate a very complex technical issue, but what does it have to do with the crew actions in the cockpit ? Both are alive and CVR available.
It's little bit surprising to have a crew rewarded before we know why so forgive me if my question disturbs the "mainland"'s standards but in my part of the world we like to understand before admitting. Obviously you don't have any clue about what happen in this cockpit.
So the crew's actions were pertinent enough to be rewarded but not to be mentioned... interesting approach in did.
I understand the AAIB may need time to investigate a very complex technical issue, but what does it have to do with the crew actions in the cockpit ? Both are alive and CVR available.
It's little bit surprising to have a crew rewarded before we know why so forgive me if my question disturbs the "mainland"'s standards but in my part of the world we like to understand before admitting. Obviously you don't have any clue about what happen in this cockpit.
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The report will be issued when there's something pertinent to say. You should try that approach sometime.
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There is a subsystem installed on each and every aircraft, with the purpose to evaluate the trajectory of the aircraft under those conditions. They call it the pilot.
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Who cares if someone can't spell occasionally...stop being uptight...you know when I and a few friends travelled through countries, I wasnt annoyed that they can't speak english...So stop picking on people for being different...
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Having sat in on a number of flight briefings on the flight deck, if trouble occures on take off/climb out the auto pilot is engaged to fly the aeroplane while the crew go through their procedures. I GUESS it would be the same for approach?
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Originally Posted by thinkingpilot
may i ask anyone who knows how long its going to be before the aaib comes out with a FINAL report . they have had 6 months, all the facts , the airplane itself ,and the crew at their disposal. speaking as a 777 driver myself we fly everyday wondering what happened . delay in releasing reports in my experience, i am sorry to say,. sometimes indicates cover up.
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Having sat in on a number of flight briefings on the flight deck, if trouble occures on take off/climb out the auto pilot is engaged to fly the aeroplane while the crew go through their procedures. I GUESS it would be the same for approach?
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Whatever happened to AVIATE, navigate, communicate?
Perhaps I should have been a bit clearer. The briefing includes what to do in a situation and if not already engaged - engage the autopilot.
Perhaps I should have been a bit clearer. The briefing includes what to do in a situation and if not already engaged - engage the autopilot.
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I have often found that there is truth in the saying 'luck is a residue of skill.'
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No-one seems to have commented on or asked about the relevance of the B777 fly by wire system in this close to stall situation.
Would things have worked out differently if the aircraft had been an Airbus?
Would things have worked out differently if the aircraft had been an Airbus?