Plane Crash In Manas Kyrgyzstan - CFIT
Appears to be only a core engine left in above link photo. The mid bent structure are non-rotating stator vanes/inlet guide vanes. The bent compressor disc appears to me to have been rotating at the time of impact.
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Corrections from qualified mechanics?
JMHO's.
Corrections from qualified mechanics?
Thanx for the pics ... please post more of the wing
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Loma,
When we looked into the intake, we used to call it the “compressor” because the first six stages including two fan sections gave you low pressure compressor N1. But fan is also correct. The term "core" I used was wrong.
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Here's the only schematic I could find (kindly disregard the cascade reverser at the back as it is a 727/dc9 animal.)
http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/engines/jt8dsh.jpg
Historical note: The cascade reverser came after the blocker door (clamshell) type and was developed by a mechanic at Western Air Lines.
When we looked into the intake, we used to call it the “compressor” because the first six stages including two fan sections gave you low pressure compressor N1. But fan is also correct. The term "core" I used was wrong.
low pressure compressor (LPC) which consists of the first six stages (i.e. six pairs of rotating and stator blades, including the first two stages which are for the bypass turbofan)
Here's the only schematic I could find (kindly disregard the cascade reverser at the back as it is a 727/dc9 animal.)
http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/engines/jt8dsh.jpg
Historical note: The cascade reverser came after the blocker door (clamshell) type and was developed by a mechanic at Western Air Lines.
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Loma,
If I can figure out how, Here goes nothing:
Credit goes to Ular, AlexGG and others for the pic source. Thanks Guys!
If I can figure out how, Here goes nothing:
Credit goes to Ular, AlexGG and others for the pic source. Thanks Guys!
Thanks for posting the pics. But you missed one very interesting pic of the what looks like the lower wing surface (subject to correction?) with additional damage.
To me these are not yet conclusive so that's why I am so interested in additional photos.
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Cautious about quoting any media source, but Russian TV news are showing a video graphic that suggests a flat, wings level landing with only post impact fire.
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Sad but true Green Granite. The media has hardly touched this. Yet an Ryanair makes a unsched landing in France and everyone goes nuts. European lives are obviously worth more than eastern Europeans according to our media. Very sad 
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Bias
That's the British media, not European. Our country sadly has a more biased and hysterical reporting than any other. I guess it is due to the nature of the target audience.
But back on thread, this accident has been overlooked by most of the "interested" SLF types who most enthusiastically posted on the Madrid accident. It may be just as significant in terms of lessons for future air safety, but is not being recognized as such.
But back on thread, this accident has been overlooked by most of the "interested" SLF types who most enthusiastically posted on the Madrid accident. It may be just as significant in terms of lessons for future air safety, but is not being recognized as such.
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Destination?
Initially the destination was widely misreported as Mashhad in NW Iran, not Tehran. But now there is a discrepancy as to which airport in Tehran. Was it the new international airport, IKA/OIIE, or the old one closer to the city center, the Iran Aseman Airlines technical base at THR/OIII? This was supposedly a charter flight (another unconfirmed information). The Aviation Safety Network entry reports the former as destination, but a Farsi-language dispatch by IRNA allegedly reports the later.
The ASN also continues to list two flight numbers: the accident entry in its data base has the (incorrect?) flight number, 6875, in the body of its text write-up, but (correctly?) lists 6895 in the summary above it.
Please confirm these details one way or the other if you can. Thanks.
The ASN also continues to list two flight numbers: the accident entry in its data base has the (incorrect?) flight number, 6875, in the body of its text write-up, but (correctly?) lists 6895 in the summary above it.
Please confirm these details one way or the other if you can. Thanks.
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Please confirm these details one way or the other if you can. Thanks.
Just to add some info:
The plane took off 20.30, and contact lost with the plane at 20.42.
Looking at the passenger/survivors list: there were 90 people on board: 83 passengers, 6 crew, 1 Iran Aseman airlines representative.
21 people survived, 5 of the 6 crew survived (only the captain is not among survivors).
Here are some photos of the accident site next day:
http://diesel.elcat.kg/index.php?act...post&id=539402
http://diesel.elcat.kg/index.php?act...post&id=538773
http://diesel.elcat.kg/index.php?act...post&id=538762
http://diesel.elcat.kg/index.php?act...post&id=538771
More similar clickable photos can be found in this local forum:
Авиакатастрофа в "Манасе" - Diesel Forum
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Sad but true Green Granite. The media has hardly touched this. Yet an Ryanair makes a unsched landing in France and everyone goes nuts. European lives are obviously worth more than eastern Europeans according to our media. Very sad 
On the other hand, events in other areas - such as the former Soviet Republics -where there is not such a prevalent safety culture, rightly or wrongly these events seem to get far less attention & treated almost as a footnote on the news (another plane crash in a land far away of which we know nothing) (with apologies to Chamberlain). That is not to say that the lives of those on board are worth any less, it is just that it is regarded as a more regular occurence due to poor(er) safety.
I for one would be much more satisfied when every soul on board every aircraft is regarded as being precious
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intentional or luck on behalf of the crew? it went down in a relatively flat area free of obstacles, it could have been alot worse.
how pressurised would the aircraft be after 10mins?
Kyrgyz prime minister Igor Cudinov said, according to RIA Novosti, that crew wanted to return because of a "cabin depressurisation" and crashed at 20:40 local time (10 minutes after takeoff).
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Although O/T, I would go with the idea that accidents are more expected in some regions and thus less newsworthy. It is not about the value of life, but about the expectations of a problem. We expect car accidents, thus we dont report on them unless something was unusual about it that we would not expect.
As SLF, there are only about 20-30 airlines I will trust my butt in as I have a higher expectations that those others will crash. If one of those 20-30 crashes, I take notice, if one of the other 200+ crash it does not interest me as much because it is less relevant.
I would fly SpanAir so it is more shocking than this one in which I would have never flew on. Perhaps this is also why cargo crashes are less 'interesting' to the media???
As SLF, there are only about 20-30 airlines I will trust my butt in as I have a higher expectations that those others will crash. If one of those 20-30 crashes, I take notice, if one of the other 200+ crash it does not interest me as much because it is less relevant.
I would fly SpanAir so it is more shocking than this one in which I would have never flew on. Perhaps this is also why cargo crashes are less 'interesting' to the media???
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MOSCOW, August 25 - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Monday sent a message of condolences to Kyrgyz President Kurmanbek Bakiyev in connection with the crash of a Boeing-737 plane at Bishkek’s international airport Manas, the Kremlin press service reported.
The Boeing, belonging to Kyrgyz Itek Air carrier, was on a fight from Bishkek to Tehran. It took off from Manas at 18:30, Moscow time, on Sunday and several minutes later requested an emergency landing. However, it failed to reach the airport and went down five kilometres away from the landing strip, near the settlement of Dzhany-Dzher.
According to official reports, there were 90 passengers and crew on board the plane. Sixty-five bodies have been found at the site of the crash. The Kyrgyz government has set up a commission to look into the plane crash.
The jet was on its way to Tehran, the Iranian capital. Among those on board were 44 Iranian Scientists and Engineers
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Accident with 44 Iranian Scientists & Engineers on board? - Maybe same sort of
"accident" that a Cuban airliner had over Barbados some years ago. Today this
news also:
Plane Crash Kills 115 In Iran, Plane Loaded With Journalists Slams Into 10-Story Apartment Building - CBS News
My, my, the Iranians seem to be having a lot of air accidents recently.
The Boeing, belonging to Kyrgyz Itek Air carrier, was on a fight from Bishkek to Tehran. It took off from Manas at 18:30, Moscow time, on Sunday and several minutes later requested an emergency landing. However, it failed to reach the airport and went down five kilometres away from the landing strip, near the settlement of Dzhany-Dzher.
According to official reports, there were 90 passengers and crew on board the plane. Sixty-five bodies have been found at the site of the crash. The Kyrgyz government has set up a commission to look into the plane crash.
The jet was on its way to Tehran, the Iranian capital. Among those on board were 44 Iranian Scientists and Engineers
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Accident with 44 Iranian Scientists & Engineers on board? - Maybe same sort of
"accident" that a Cuban airliner had over Barbados some years ago. Today this
news also:
Plane Crash Kills 115 In Iran, Plane Loaded With Journalists Slams Into 10-Story Apartment Building - CBS News
My, my, the Iranians seem to be having a lot of air accidents recently.
Asdrius
Many thanks for the links.
The last link shows 1500 posts so a lot of discussion ala Pprune is taking place. I can't read the language so I wonder if those that can can give me a clue or two
What did the surviving crew indicate was the technical problem causing them to make a forced landing?
What have ground witnesses stated relative to the approach and landing?
was the aircraft visibly afire on approach?
How quickly did the fire spread on landing?
What have on board surviving passengers stated relative to the reported in-flight technical problems causing the forced landing?
Looking at the passenger/survivors list: there were 90 people on board: 83 passengers, 6 crew, 1 Iran Aseman airlines representative.
21 people survived, 5 of the 6 crew survived (only the captain is not among survivors).
Here are some photos of the accident site next day:
Diesel Forum (Работает на Invision Power Board)
Diesel Forum (Работает на Invision Power Board)
Diesel Forum (Работает на Invision Power Board)
Diesel Forum (Работает на Invision Power Board)
More similar clickable photos can be found in this local forum:
Авиакатастрофа в "Манасе" - Diesel Forum
21 people survived, 5 of the 6 crew survived (only the captain is not among survivors).
Here are some photos of the accident site next day:
Diesel Forum (Работает на Invision Power Board)
Diesel Forum (Работает на Invision Power Board)
Diesel Forum (Работает на Invision Power Board)
Diesel Forum (Работает на Invision Power Board)
More similar clickable photos can be found in this local forum:
Авиакатастрофа в "Манасе" - Diesel Forum
The last link shows 1500 posts so a lot of discussion ala Pprune is taking place. I can't read the language so I wonder if those that can can give me a clue or two
What did the surviving crew indicate was the technical problem causing them to make a forced landing?
What have ground witnesses stated relative to the approach and landing?
was the aircraft visibly afire on approach?
How quickly did the fire spread on landing?
What have on board surviving passengers stated relative to the reported in-flight technical problems causing the forced landing?
Just to save a few from clicking multiple web sites for pics I have collected a good set here:
http://fromtheflightdeck.com/MEL/ItekB737-200-01.jpg
http://fromtheflightdeck.com/MEL/ItekB737-200-02.jpg
The files are too big to post but one can clip out any interesting photo to discuss.
again thanks for all the previous links
http://fromtheflightdeck.com/MEL/ItekB737-200-01.jpg
http://fromtheflightdeck.com/MEL/ItekB737-200-02.jpg
The files are too big to post but one can clip out any interesting photo to discuss.
again thanks for all the previous links
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A very long discussion indeed. But it is a general forum not oriented to aviation, most of the posts are just emotional, very difficult among so many posts to find hard information.
But after brief search I found several survivors reports. Here I post internet translations of them, which I think are easy to understand:
Original (Russian language) Авиакатастрофа в "Манасе" - Diesel Forum
Another dramatic report praising heroic actions of the captain and school teacher, saving the passengers from burning plane:
Original (Russian language):KP.RU // Авиакатастрофа в Бишкеке: 67 человек сгорели заживо
A very long discussion indeed. But it is a general forum not oriented to aviation, most of the posts are just emotional, very difficult among so many posts to find hard information.
But after brief search I found several survivors reports. Here I post internet translations of them, which I think are easy to understand:
One of the victims in the plane crash “of Boeing” in the environs of Bishkek - the citizen of Iran, the businessman Of [komponikhi] Of [nokhsen] - today, on August 26, 2008, in the interview for the agency Of [aKI]press described some details of incident. According to him, the engines of aircraft ceased to work even in air. It became quiet. It does not remember, as they landed. Aircraft fell in the field. Fire began as soon as it fell aircraft, there was much fire and smoke. It sat by the latter, in the tail of the aircraft, where emergency exit is located. However, in the salon it was because very hot, it is dark and it is oppressive, it is not possible to open door was simply. After several attempts, door by foot they opened several men. In some passengers the belt was not undone, first it did wedge, then from the nerves; however, there was no time to help others. In 3-4 minutes after the people jumped out from the aircraft, occurred explosion. Those, who remained in the aircraft it perished. The citizen of Iran [Komponikhin] Of [nokhsen], which received as a result plane crashes the hurt wound of the frontal region of head, was serviced dispensary. Today he departed into Iran.
Another dramatic report praising heroic actions of the captain and school teacher, saving the passengers from burning plane:
Those survived now pray for the health of their angel- rescuers. Only, who not [zapanikoval] in to smoke and fire- aircraft commander Yuri [Goncharov] the director of the secondary school of № of 29 [Bakhtiyar] Kadirov, who conveyed young basketball players to the match in Teheran. Men by some miracle could knock out the front door of the liner (it less than all it wedged with the rough landing) and they began to take out passengers of the burning aircraft. Those, who were able to walk, they accompanied to the door, that lay without the consciousness carried on the hands. Commander saved passengers, until he falls without the consciousness, after poisoning by carbon monoxide. [Bakhtiyar] Kadirov continued to take out his pupils, even when on it decayed clothing…