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Qantas 744 Depressurisation

Old 25th Jul 2008, 06:34
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Settle Down!

Why the instant fury at the passengers and journos who use their 'own words' to describe an aviation incident. They don't know the terms, procedures and lingo. If a passenger describes a standard emergency descent as a 'plunge', then fair enough. Compared to normal profiles it is something of a 'plunge'. Use your own knowledge to decipher the 'code'. The worlds not going to end over an over excited report. Some of the passengers would have been somewhat agitated.
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 06:35
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I was told by a certain person that one of the oxygen bottles let go in the fwd cargo.
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 06:36
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Photo reqd before making assumptions,The media read here.Well done to the crew cabin and tech,for doing what you have been trained to do.
some of these so called media reporters wouldnt know how altitude vs oxygen works.
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 06:39
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The report I read it was QF30 HKG-MEL and some bags may have been lost (thats passengers luggage!!!!) hope no fisherman were hit in the South China sea......
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 06:42
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 06:45
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I think I can recall there was an MEL requiring a physical check of OXY every transit. Not sure if it was OJK
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 06:48
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Thanks for the yellow card Flyingfox. While you are correct, I think it is more the Journos we are having a dig out. The sensationalism in the press around aviation in particular is not helpful. Not just aviation either. Everything is a 'disaster' or a 'meltdown', every stock 'tanks', every plane 'plunges out of the sky' etc etc...dumbing down of news in my opinion. Anyway, for the record I also loved the "driver's side" quote. My other favourite at the moment is the girl who thought a door might have opened. Don't get me wrong, not having a go at her in anyway, it is just funny. Also agree with the poster who pointed out that press read this site.......
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 06:50
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Originally Posted by flyingfox
Why the instant fury at the passengers and journos who use their 'own words' to describe an aviation incident. They don't know the terms, procedures and lingo. If a passenger describes a standard emergency descent as a 'plunge', then fair enough. Compared to normal profiles it is something of a 'plunge'. Use your own knowledge to decipher the 'code'. The worlds not going to end over an over excited report. Some of the passengers would have been somewhat agitated.
I have no problem with passengers making mistakes. I do object to reporters editorialising and using phrases like "the pilot struggled to maintain control as the plane plummeted over 6000 metres". Thanks Channel 9 - that was completely unneccessary.
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 06:55
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BBC seem to be quite level headed about the incident other than flashing it up as "BREAKING NEWS".

BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | Hole forces Qantas plane to land
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 07:01
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CNN shows a pic on TV. Looks like a big hole
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 07:01
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Just saw a picture of the damaged area appears to be on the right just below the No2 MED and around the forward wing to body fairing. Nice rip in the skin, Also saw a number of passengers bags in the wing to body fairings area.

So has OJK been to Singapore for a heavy check lately?
Where is the staple gun this time?
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 07:05
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I'm going to go way out on a limb here and speculate (no photos, so don't string me up here.....) The driver's side down under is the right of course. Baggage/gapping hole also sounds like this could be on the right side if the ramp reporter thinks from a perspective of sitting inside the plane. Could this be a repeat of the UAL forward cargo door failure out of Hawaii?

IIRC, in that scenario, the "cat'sclaws" failed to grasp the locking pole securely; resulting in a "tear-away door." This is why 747's have visual viewing ports made of clear substance (plexiglass?) that (if they're not all scratched up like they always are) permits ground crew (if they know about this or can be made to care) to check and visually confirm the claws have actually grabbed something. Some MELs call out this procedure if anything else is inop.

As a crewmember, it always amazed me that anybody could see anything at all through those scratched up viewports! So you just wound up hoping that ground staff didn't get rough with the door handle, because a door light might not always be foolproof right? Used to make me wonder even after the A/D's S/B's etc....

Of course something more sinister could have popped that door....... Know what I mean?

Interesting. My hat's off to the crew on this one.
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 07:06
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Angry Another lucky escape for QF

First pictures out, Hull breach behind the wing to body fairing with bags sucked out through the breach in the fuse and into the wing fairing.

Its aft of the crew bottles but right in the middle of a cluster of main oxy bottles.

Union says it was maintained in OZ.

Thankfully all ok.
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 07:08
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Good picture here...

There's a good picture here.

Qantas plane door pops open on flight from London to Melbourne | The Daily Telegraph

This wasn't a "loss of cabin pressure" ladies and gents. This was "the loss of a large part of the side of the aircraft!"

Looking at this picture, you will forgive me feeling a little nervous about getting on a Qantas aircraft. Which, as some of you know, I have to, three times a month...

Whatever let go to cause this one, I suspect that it wouldn't have have done if Qantas were not flying elderly aircraft around with minimal maintenance, performed by the lowest-bidding contractor in parts of the world where ATSB supervision is even less effective that it is at home.

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Old 25th Jul 2008, 07:08
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Pacplyer - fwd cargo door still in place, so seems unlikely.
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 07:11
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any pics available on the web yet? links anyone?
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 07:12
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Looks like the Pilot hasn't got a clue either there..
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 07:13
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Old 25th Jul 2008, 07:14
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Thanks Oliv2,

I missed that.

How do the lawyers say it?

"Withdrawn!"

Pretend I never said it......




Ah, thank you PAX67 and flyer18-737 for the pics

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Old 25th Jul 2008, 07:16
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Also located in that area more precisely are the cargo fire bottles. Quite large but not enough pressure I wouldn't think to blow a hole. Another thought is that for baggage to be spilling out then the cargo container bin must also have been ruptured.
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