Ryanair fire at Stansted
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Ryanair fire at Stansted
I've just heard on the radio that a Ryanair 732 has reported fire on the flight-deck at STN, and a full evacuation was carried out.
There are no reported injuries. The flight was due to depart STN for Londonderry.
Anyone know any more?
There are no reported injuries. The flight was due to depart STN for Londonderry.
Anyone know any more?
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Hi Otiss, took a look at your profile and now I understand why you have such a cavalier attitude to something as serious as smoke or fire on an aircraft.
Simply because you are safe and sound in your office or hangar while it is some other poor chap who has to handle the situation in flight or on the ground with a plane full of passengers behind him... or it could also be simply a case of sour grapes...
Simply because you are safe and sound in your office or hangar while it is some other poor chap who has to handle the situation in flight or on the ground with a plane full of passengers behind him... or it could also be simply a case of sour grapes...
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Absolutely outrageous to say "F/O freaked". I will give u a clue. If I had serious smoke on board, I would look to evacuate very quickly indeed. Remember Saudi Tristar anyone?
If no fire was found we can all start again. If there was fire, at least I am watching it burn from outside the aircraft with my crew and pax, rather than struggling to breathe inside. Fire engulfs a hull quickly and kills quicker.
So, to all of u who may think that their actions were premature....think again.
If no fire was found we can all start again. If there was fire, at least I am watching it burn from outside the aircraft with my crew and pax, rather than struggling to breathe inside. Fire engulfs a hull quickly and kills quicker.
So, to all of u who may think that their actions were premature....think again.
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Shoolkid and Otiss hang your heads in shame. Even if you are right in any small way so what. There is NOTHING more dangerous than smoke/fire inside an aircraft whether inflight or on the ground. There are numerous examples in addition to the Saudi Tristar already mentioned...737 Manchester; MD11 Nova Scotia and on and on. The really important thing is to take action immediately that smoke/fire is suspected as Tailscrape states.
Schoolkid "it looks like capton (sic) wiring. Does it? From how far away does it look like that.
Otiss I also am a licensed engineer (and am ashamed of you for that)and a pilot and I KNOW I would freak for real no matter how much sim training goes on. One hopes to control the fear on the day but I know it will be there.
Please think carefully, even if you were the man on the ground, before leaping in with size 10s and critcising anyone in such a manner.
A cautionary tale: many years ago when working for Britannia as an engineer in Luton, a pilot who was very visibly shaken after landing a B737 told us that when he selected speedbrake in flight at low altitude he beleieved he got all 8 spoilers up instead of just the 4 flight spoliers as advertised. We muttered reassuring noises gave him a lump of sugar and sent him off to his hotelwhilst thinking (in unision) nah! couldn't happen cos we know the 737 inside out and if the air/ground teleflex cable breaks the worst case scenario was that only 4 spoilers avaialbe on ground as it was designed failsafe. Still we were obliged to jack the thing up in the hangar (real pain on quiet night shift). Once on jacks deployed speedbrakes and yes you are way ahead of me..all f*****g 8 spoiler panels popped up. The looks on the faces of no less tha four licensed engineers (self included) must have been a picture. This turned out to be the first case of the teleflex cable growing in length due to a lose mouse (nipple) on the end of the cable. (design always assumed cable would break not grow in length)..from that moment on I vowed to accept the words of any pilot on such defects until I could PROVE otherwise.
(edited twice because I can't spell tailscrape, sorry. If there others the so be it)
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Schoolkid "it looks like capton (sic) wiring. Does it? From how far away does it look like that.
Otiss I also am a licensed engineer (and am ashamed of you for that)and a pilot and I KNOW I would freak for real no matter how much sim training goes on. One hopes to control the fear on the day but I know it will be there.
Please think carefully, even if you were the man on the ground, before leaping in with size 10s and critcising anyone in such a manner.
A cautionary tale: many years ago when working for Britannia as an engineer in Luton, a pilot who was very visibly shaken after landing a B737 told us that when he selected speedbrake in flight at low altitude he beleieved he got all 8 spoilers up instead of just the 4 flight spoliers as advertised. We muttered reassuring noises gave him a lump of sugar and sent him off to his hotelwhilst thinking (in unision) nah! couldn't happen cos we know the 737 inside out and if the air/ground teleflex cable breaks the worst case scenario was that only 4 spoilers avaialbe on ground as it was designed failsafe. Still we were obliged to jack the thing up in the hangar (real pain on quiet night shift). Once on jacks deployed speedbrakes and yes you are way ahead of me..all f*****g 8 spoiler panels popped up. The looks on the faces of no less tha four licensed engineers (self included) must have been a picture. This turned out to be the first case of the teleflex cable growing in length due to a lose mouse (nipple) on the end of the cable. (design always assumed cable would break not grow in length)..from that moment on I vowed to accept the words of any pilot on such defects until I could PROVE otherwise.
(edited twice because I can't spell tailscrape, sorry. If there others the so be it)
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Given that a fire can develop from not a lot to flashover in a matter of seconds - and that when Kapton bundles arc they produce temperatures of some 10,000 deg C, my philosophy in a situation like that would be to make like a shepherd and get the flock out of there. As others have said, better to be alive and have people taking the mickey out of you for over-reacting; than to be frazzled and have the AAIB write it up as yet another incident of pilot error.
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Also worth adding that if the aircraft was still on stand (and as no-one has mentioned flight phase so far) it is highly likely that there was fuelling going on whilst pax were boarded - as 25 min turnarounds necessitate fuelling while pax disembark/board.
I would have done exactly the same and got my, and everyone else`s, arse outta there tout-suite!
I would have done exactly the same and got my, and everyone else`s, arse outta there tout-suite!
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Given the FAA history of permitting known threats - to protect corporate profits - electrical smoke in an American arcraft is worth a bit of serious terror.
The Swiss Air Flight 111 crash should serve as a fine example of a well programmed disaster and a lesson that electrical fires are nothing to fool with. The honest (hidden) statistics on electrical fires on U.S. aircraft are staggering.
In the meantime, The FAA and NTSB are burying incidents and data on a wholesale basis.
In a sentence, be damned frightened when you smell electrical smoke on U.S. aircraft.
The tombstone agency (FAA) quit caring about even tombstones. They won't tell you about it & they damned sure won't do anything about it.
The Swiss Air Flight 111 crash should serve as a fine example of a well programmed disaster and a lesson that electrical fires are nothing to fool with. The honest (hidden) statistics on electrical fires on U.S. aircraft are staggering.
In the meantime, The FAA and NTSB are burying incidents and data on a wholesale basis.
In a sentence, be damned frightened when you smell electrical smoke on U.S. aircraft.
The tombstone agency (FAA) quit caring about even tombstones. They won't tell you about it & they damned sure won't do anything about it.
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anybody here remember the old quote "no smoke without fire" ??? fire breeds smoke folks and remember smoke kills far more people than fire does.
as in the fire brigade moto, if you smell smoke
1, GET OUT
2, CALL US OUT
3, STAY OUT
if i smell or see smoke on my aircraft then its an immediate emergency landing and evacuation on the runway for me.
if already on the ground, then its time to make like linford christie. no exceptions.
if later im proved to have acted in haste coz of some excess oil residue around the aircon pac's or alike, then "what a pity" im alive and so are all my charges. and if there was ever a next time, then i would do exactly as before. i would rather be alive and have egg on my face, that to have to attend all those funerals!
as in the fire brigade moto, if you smell smoke
1, GET OUT
2, CALL US OUT
3, STAY OUT
if i smell or see smoke on my aircraft then its an immediate emergency landing and evacuation on the runway for me.
if already on the ground, then its time to make like linford christie. no exceptions.
if later im proved to have acted in haste coz of some excess oil residue around the aircon pac's or alike, then "what a pity" im alive and so are all my charges. and if there was ever a next time, then i would do exactly as before. i would rather be alive and have egg on my face, that to have to attend all those funerals!
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Just for any of you still doubting the seriousness of fire on board. We have been told by our trainers that...
If you have a fire on board and don't put it out within 4 minutes - it isn't going out!
And, if you have that same fire and don't get on the ground in 14 minutes - the fire will do it for you!
OK, so this incident was on the ground - but the consequences could have been no less serious. For any pax lurking on the forum who might be thinking of smoking on any of my flights - think very seriously about the consequences of your actions!
ATB,
Underdog
If you have a fire on board and don't put it out within 4 minutes - it isn't going out!
And, if you have that same fire and don't get on the ground in 14 minutes - the fire will do it for you!
OK, so this incident was on the ground - but the consequences could have been no less serious. For any pax lurking on the forum who might be thinking of smoking on any of my flights - think very seriously about the consequences of your actions!
ATB,
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IMHO the FO did absolutely the right thing. Far better to 'over-react' then under-react, and suffer the consequences.
It never ceases to amaze me the way people ignore obviously potentially dangerous signals, in an attempt to appear normal. For example I was in a tube recently when smoke started to pour out of the vents. People just sat there reading their papers as if nothing was happening!!
Apologies if a bit long-winded, but again congrats to the FO
It never ceases to amaze me the way people ignore obviously potentially dangerous signals, in an attempt to appear normal. For example I was in a tube recently when smoke started to pour out of the vents. People just sat there reading their papers as if nothing was happening!!
Apologies if a bit long-winded, but again congrats to the FO