Union Shafts its employees - yes its BALPA
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I can't believe you lot! The General Secretary is the best public figure we have EVER had. The NEC has changed and needs to be given the time to formulate a programme that will change the way the NEC needs to change. This pension issue was coming regardless of the leadership.
Under the previuos administration, Ian Saunders was on the NEC running the finances fantastically well, and turning BALPA into an organisation that had cash to spend on campaigns.
To say BA conned easyJet is just plain wrong. I am an easyJet employee and we are now the second largest airline in terms of BALPA Membership. BA has over 3000 members easyJet around 1600. Therefore 4600 of our 10000 members in BALPA belong within 2 airlines. Hardly a surprise that those airlines wanted to make a change to the likes of Tfly and Monarch running the NEC.
The NEC is a sham. Half of the members on the NEC do absolutely no work whatsoever, and if you go to an ADC one day you will see what I mean! Lynne Clark (VC of NEC) is a real worker and will always have the support of easyJet pilots, she is incredible. easyJet now have 3 elected members on the NEC from this year, and we are there to make changes, and make the NEC more accountable to the CCs of the company which are the backbone of BALPA for the average pilot like myself.
Allow change to be made, but until some of the more disruptive members on the NEC are removed, we will unfortunately not get very far. Bring on the next ADC it should be fun!
Back to the thread - I am sorry to see the GMB make this announcement, I feel they are wrong to refue BALPA's improved offer to them, and the PNs are I'm afraid being quite short sited in going down this road - It helps no-one.
Under the previuos administration, Ian Saunders was on the NEC running the finances fantastically well, and turning BALPA into an organisation that had cash to spend on campaigns.
To say BA conned easyJet is just plain wrong. I am an easyJet employee and we are now the second largest airline in terms of BALPA Membership. BA has over 3000 members easyJet around 1600. Therefore 4600 of our 10000 members in BALPA belong within 2 airlines. Hardly a surprise that those airlines wanted to make a change to the likes of Tfly and Monarch running the NEC.
The NEC is a sham. Half of the members on the NEC do absolutely no work whatsoever, and if you go to an ADC one day you will see what I mean! Lynne Clark (VC of NEC) is a real worker and will always have the support of easyJet pilots, she is incredible. easyJet now have 3 elected members on the NEC from this year, and we are there to make changes, and make the NEC more accountable to the CCs of the company which are the backbone of BALPA for the average pilot like myself.
Allow change to be made, but until some of the more disruptive members on the NEC are removed, we will unfortunately not get very far. Bring on the next ADC it should be fun!
Back to the thread - I am sorry to see the GMB make this announcement, I feel they are wrong to refue BALPA's improved offer to them, and the PNs are I'm afraid being quite short sited in going down this road - It helps no-one.
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I HAVE been to ADCs, and can tell you the last one was a sham!
easyJet were conned, there is no doubt about it, it was embarrassing to see how the easyJet Chair was manipulated by the BACC with this ridiculous motion for a senate, that would have been completely unworkable.
The current NEC Chair may well have been good at the finances but is not a good Chair. Apparently he is never there. He lives in Baltimore for gods sake.
How can you have a Vice-chair of the NEC who has NEVER sat on the NEC before.
The Gen Secs personal attack on Willie was seriously ill advised and will be his downfall.
easyJet were conned, there is no doubt about it, it was embarrassing to see how the easyJet Chair was manipulated by the BACC with this ridiculous motion for a senate, that would have been completely unworkable.
The current NEC Chair may well have been good at the finances but is not a good Chair. Apparently he is never there. He lives in Baltimore for gods sake.
How can you have a Vice-chair of the NEC who has NEVER sat on the NEC before.
The Gen Secs personal attack on Willie was seriously ill advised and will be his downfall.
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Well FMGC - We must agree to differ. The Senate was in fact the easyJet Chair's idea so perhaps he conned BA? - The next ADC may well see it raised again. Ultimately making the NEC accountable to the CC Chairs is going to be the answer on taking BALPA forward. The reason why the NEC has been so disfunctional is because of the disruptive behaviour from some people from Tfly and Monarch. Wouldn't it be nice if they turned up to the NEC meetings!
Anyhow, the VC, was elected overwhelmingly, and I agree the same cannot be said of the Chair. I have been down to HQ several times since the ADC, and Ian has been there every time. Perhaps I have just been lucky! The 3 have my 110% support and they need the time to action change.
Anyhow, the VC, was elected overwhelmingly, and I agree the same cannot be said of the Chair. I have been down to HQ several times since the ADC, and Ian has been there every time. Perhaps I have just been lucky! The 3 have my 110% support and they need the time to action change.
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Well the motion was proposed by easyJet but actually written by one of the BA guys.
The proof will be in the pudding! Time will tell.
I would be interested to hear more about this disruptive behaviour from Tfly & MON guys?
The proof will be in the pudding! Time will tell.
I would be interested to hear more about this disruptive behaviour from Tfly & MON guys?
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Principle
There are obviously many here who are more up to speed with BALPA politics than me & it is interesting to read. However, surely this is about principle isn't it?
Click Click made an impressive post & compared the tanker drivers to his own Ts&Cs & it is understandable. The values are probably skewed - like footballers earning £500,000 a week - but they were sold off by a wealthy company & haven't had a pay rise for 13 years, so there's always another side to the story.
In the BALPA case it seems to be the imposition of a deal rather a negotiated settlement that's the issue. If it were an airline being represented by BALPA in that situation there would be a standing conference, strike ballot & arbitration if need be, so how can a union justify playing the same bully boy card that they complain about when dealing with big companies?
Someone mentioned PNs, is it only them that's affected? Anyone know what they earn? I wouldn't be surprised if their pay per hour were calculated it would be pretty small if my experience of their efforts is anything to go by. It was many years ago admitted but I doubt it's a job people do for the money.
Click Click made an impressive post & compared the tanker drivers to his own Ts&Cs & it is understandable. The values are probably skewed - like footballers earning £500,000 a week - but they were sold off by a wealthy company & haven't had a pay rise for 13 years, so there's always another side to the story.
In the BALPA case it seems to be the imposition of a deal rather a negotiated settlement that's the issue. If it were an airline being represented by BALPA in that situation there would be a standing conference, strike ballot & arbitration if need be, so how can a union justify playing the same bully boy card that they complain about when dealing with big companies?
Someone mentioned PNs, is it only them that's affected? Anyone know what they earn? I wouldn't be surprised if their pay per hour were calculated it would be pretty small if my experience of their efforts is anything to go by. It was many years ago admitted but I doubt it's a job people do for the money.
