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The Korean Air B707 took a wrong turn and was intercepted and invited to land there. On the process it was damaged. One passenger was killed by a soldier as he tried to deplane.
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This year we had 2 Spanish AF aircraft go head to head with us (737) near VLC, they went down the right side about 5 miles the did a 180 and followed us. But they were slower and couldn't catch up. Maybe they were Harriers training radar controller. We could see them on TCAS and I quized ATC. They said Miltary not under his control. Was very interesting attempt at interception. Obviously not as good as QRA so can only assume rookies.(Fighter Control or Pilots)
Best one I have seen is F16 rolling inverted over the our aircraft as we climbed out. That was an RA, but coolest thing I've ever seen!Yanks!!
Best one I have seen is F16 rolling inverted over the our aircraft as we climbed out. That was an RA, but coolest thing I've ever seen!Yanks!!
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Finnish PM is useless as anything but an anchor weight and would probably suck in that too. He should travel in a railroad car at best or perhaps by bus. Tax money wasted in sending him around. Much better guys to travel. Other than the rant above. The story is very simple: Russians dropped by, didn't inform anyone on the flight, they where seen and went away.
The KAL flight. Anyone that has spent his or her early days (30 something) in the north will see from the KAL pic that the trees are typical of a marsh area of a lake and an abyss of note easily capable of sinking an airliner. Looking at the pic the aircraft rest just at about where the weeds and marsh begins and open water ends. ( I am 100% Karelian btw and it used to be a beautiful area before it was stolen by Soviet Union in an illegal and internationally condemned attack)
Piombo. You have gotten the KAL story totally wrong. They where no invited to land. They where shot down. PAX was killed by as Missile that went through the fuselage. The damage is clearly visible on the fuselage just around the trailing edge of the left wing and the wing itself. PAX killed where 2 not one. Aircraft suffered a rapid decompression and the forced to land on the lake. Some invitation eh?
The KAL flight. Anyone that has spent his or her early days (30 something) in the north will see from the KAL pic that the trees are typical of a marsh area of a lake and an abyss of note easily capable of sinking an airliner. Looking at the pic the aircraft rest just at about where the weeds and marsh begins and open water ends. ( I am 100% Karelian btw and it used to be a beautiful area before it was stolen by Soviet Union in an illegal and internationally condemned attack)
Piombo. You have gotten the KAL story totally wrong. They where no invited to land. They where shot down. PAX was killed by as Missile that went through the fuselage. The damage is clearly visible on the fuselage just around the trailing edge of the left wing and the wing itself. PAX killed where 2 not one. Aircraft suffered a rapid decompression and the forced to land on the lake. Some invitation eh?
I've been by cruise ship up the ship canal that connects Ladoga and Onega on a crystal clear day. What I recall, apart from the unending low forest surroundings, was the sheer quantity of high jet trails through the afternoon from the Far East to Western Europe westbound traffic. Seemed one about every 3-4 minutes, very organised, and most times some 3 or more in sight. They carry on overhead St Petersburg city, where you can see the same thing. So it's not in the wilderness, it's on a major commercial air route.
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I think it would be a security risk to other passengers if Bush did the same. I would offload myself from such a flight. By Swede
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Hey Com jam.Its very simple. Any unidentified bogey outside of the 200 radius from a CVN is just a possible threat.Once it cross's inside the 200 mile circle it then become's a target unless identified as a friendly! This is something the Captain of the ship takes very seriously as he only get's one chance to get it right when something is closing on his ship at 400 kts! Seems like i spent most of my time in the Med(a long time ago i admit!) chasing down airliners and British Nimrods who where off course or whatever.
As far as the Vincennes go's no worries for the RAF.The last time i heard the British were not in the business of bombing civillain airliners or using them as guided missile's as the Iranians threatened to do. And don't forget that at that time the treat was very high with the vivid memory of our Marines suicide bombed in Beirut! Anyway back to the thread ,this happens all the time and go's unnoticed most of the time! Hell that is one of the reasons why i became an Airline pilot! When i saw the guys up front reading the paper and not even noticing me outside(pre tcas days of course!) I thought "cush job and F/A'S Too? i can do that!!!!!
As far as the Vincennes go's no worries for the RAF.The last time i heard the British were not in the business of bombing civillain airliners or using them as guided missile's as the Iranians threatened to do. And don't forget that at that time the treat was very high with the vivid memory of our Marines suicide bombed in Beirut! Anyway back to the thread ,this happens all the time and go's unnoticed most of the time! Hell that is one of the reasons why i became an Airline pilot! When i saw the guys up front reading the paper and not even noticing me outside(pre tcas days of course!) I thought "cush job and F/A'S Too? i can do that!!!!!
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HMTQ hasn't been on a scheduled flight for some years. She does get out and about in London though for a spot of shopping. Not quite random wandering, it's relatively pre-planned and of course a small team of Royalty Protection Officers 'discreetly' around her.
RPG - 'More Royal than the Royals.'
RPG - 'More Royal than the Royals.'
"Seems like I spent most of my time in the Med (a long time ago I admit!) chasing down airliners and British Nimrods who were off course or whatever."
Flying back in formation from Dhahran to UK, we were once hailed by some mononeuronic Ohio farmboy on 243 identifying himself as 'Red Crown' demanding to know who we were. When told we were flying in international airspace in accordance with a normal flight plan on a published international route, this half wit announced "Clear to Proceed". So we told him, in words of half a syllable, that we would indeed continue our lawful progress and, in any case, it had absolutely nothing to do with him, his navy or any other Yank.
Self-appointed world policemen......
"Once it crosses inside the 200 mile circle it then becomes a target unless identified as a friendly!"
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Touched a nerve, Did i mate!
Just trying to explain the procedure mate,like most military guys i don't make policy i follow it! And by the way during our entire 6 month deployment in the Med, we had a British Sea Harrier Detachment on board with us. Seems at the time the Brits were out of money to put to sea so they came along with us to give the boys some training! As i remember they were a great bunch of guys/excellent pilots and judging by the pictures they brought back they really liked to get up close to the "unidentified" bogeys i mentioned! Now that the Soviet navy is back patrolling the UK Gap and the Chinese opened their new submarine base on Hainan Island who would you like to keep the Sea Lanes open around the world! Or are you one of those people who just pretend the world is a kinder gentler place now and can't we just all be friends!
As far as who appointed us the worlds policeman ? Glad to give up the job anytime the EU wants it! I have many friends made over many years from all the EU military who understand this! It's very "in" right now to be anti-American (a lot of it justified) but GWB will go in Nov and things will slowly return to normal i hope. And yes if a carrier is around you still will hear on guard "unknown rider bearing 240 at 200 miles identify yourself"
As far as who appointed us the worlds policeman ? Glad to give up the job anytime the EU wants it! I have many friends made over many years from all the EU military who understand this! It's very "in" right now to be anti-American (a lot of it justified) but GWB will go in Nov and things will slowly return to normal i hope. And yes if a carrier is around you still will hear on guard "unknown rider bearing 240 at 200 miles identify yourself"
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Hey Com jam.Its very simple. Any unidentified bogey outside of the 200 radius from a CVN is just a possible threat.Once it cross's inside the 200 mile circle it then become's a target unless identified as a friendly! This is something the Captain of the ship takes very seriously as he only get's one chance to get it right when something is closing on his ship at 400 kts!
And how does climbing exactly qualify as "closing on his ship"?
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Back to the point!
O'k lets end this here shall we and not rehash the whole Iran /Vincennes incident.I was simply trying to make the point that intercepts are way more common than most civilian trained airline pilots realize and usually go unnoticed and unreported. As to whether the Iranian's have the right to intercept/identify/ and react if required to an unidentified inbound radar contact closing on their airspace at 200 miles the answer is, they do...if they had that capability!
Fly safe out there and don't look back, something might be gaining on you!
Fly safe out there and don't look back, something might be gaining on you!
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Have a look at procedures for entering Iranian airspace and you will see that you are required to contact their Air Defence Forces for identification prior to entering their airspace. Having fixed borders helps knowing when to do this unlike a boat, which paddles about a bit.
Have a look at procedures for entering Iranian airspace and you will see that you are required to contact their Air Defence Forces for identification prior to entering their airspace. Having fixed borders helps knowing when to do this unlike a boat, which paddles about a bit.
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ok, then one more stupid technical question: isn't there some sort of proximity radar on board, just as you can find abord about any pleasure boat from 20 ft length?
I guess I always assumed there is, but thinking more closely, I've never seen it mentioned.
I guess I always assumed there is, but thinking more closely, I've never seen it mentioned.
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Beardy, understood. I just would really like to see, if everyone still has the same reasoning, if a russian naval boat in international waters shot down an US airliner out of JFK climbing away over the atlantic on a published route, claiming they felt threatened by it. Hypocrisy at its best.
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Underestimating the capabilities of Iranian Air Defence and their defence in general is not only stupid but downright naive. This is the prevalent policy and attitude of the ruling US "Regime".
Iranians have the capability both training and equipmentwise as well as motivation to defend their territorial integrity. If the Bush-tribe decides to go on another "Democracy" spreading mission this time into Iran they are up for a big surprise.
Iranians have the capability both training and equipmentwise as well as motivation to defend their territorial integrity. If the Bush-tribe decides to go on another "Democracy" spreading mission this time into Iran they are up for a big surprise.
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I don't think the "Bush-tribe" is naive. They know well the consequences. Naive I would call the US taxpayer and voter that believes their lies, funds a yearly 547.000.000.000 $ military budget for "defense" of the home country and sends his children to die at the frontlines.