Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Rumours & News
Reload this Page >

Air India B777 gear collapse Mumbai

Wikiposts
Search
Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

Air India B777 gear collapse Mumbai

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 16th May 2008, 18:47
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Bahrain
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cool Air India B777 gear collapse Mumbai

I was on ground this afternoon approx 3pm in Mumbai and saw an Air India
B777 with nose gear collapsed with both engines touched down on Stand 46. Anyone knows the reason or story behind it? Are these leased United aircrafts?
Saleh is offline  
Old 16th May 2008, 18:58
  #2 (permalink)  

Dog Tired
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: uk
Posts: 1,688
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Let me guess: mechanix fiddling with a perfectly serviceable aircraft?

only kidding...
fantom is offline  
Old 16th May 2008, 19:24
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Rockytop, Tennessee, USA
Posts: 5,898
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Let me guess: mechanix fiddling with a perfectly serviceable aircraft?
Time to round up the usual suspects...

Indian Airlines [sic] plane nose gear collapses

16 May, 2008, 2332 hrs IST, PTI

MUMBAI: Four engineers escaped unhurt when the nose wheel gear of an Air India Boeing 777 bound for Dubai collapsed on Friday shortly before passengers could board in the second incident at the airport involving the airline in as many days.

Yesterday, the door of an Airbus A-320 readying for take-off was damaged after an aerobridge slammed against the aircraft when the push back vehicle to tow the airplane suddenly moved. The Chennai-bound flight was delayed for more than four hours.

No one was injured in today's freak mishap as there were no passengers or cabin crew on board the Boeing 777-200 (Extended Range) aircraft leased by Air India, an airline spokesperson said in New Delhi.

The incident occured during pre-inspection checks by four engineers but they escaped unhurt. One of the engineers was in the cockpit while three others were on the ground.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ow/3047364.cms
Airbubba is offline  
Old 16th May 2008, 19:47
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: South
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Landing Gear - Down & Locked? - NO!

OUCH -

They were never told to leave the gear lever in the down position until after rotation with the pilots in the cockpit.????

A very expensive fiddle?

Stirred?
VG300
VortexGen300 is offline  
Old 16th May 2008, 19:59
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Among camels and dunes
Posts: 425
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Any pictures?
Jetjock330 is offline  
Old 16th May 2008, 21:55
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Germany
Posts: 702
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
One small picture here: http://timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsId=8438
EatMyShorts! is online now  
Old 16th May 2008, 22:06
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: uk
Posts: 267
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
possible previous very heavy landings ???? otherwise tug pushback with parking brake engaged...can't think of any other reason.
bermudatriangle is offline  
Old 17th May 2008, 17:49
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: London, Berlin, Bucharest
Posts: 284
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
forgive me if im wrong as im still currently getting my cpl, but i thought the weight on wheels system would have stopped the undercarige being brought up anyway?
Nashers is offline  
Old 17th May 2008, 18:27
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: .
Posts: 2,997
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cool

Not if you override it.
spannersatcx is offline  
Old 18th May 2008, 03:50
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Dubai - sand land.
Age: 55
Posts: 2,832
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Guess it wasn't during pushback BT 'cos the catering trucks still by R2. And the cargo doors are open.....

Engineers fiddling I'd imagine - I mean four of them all together up by the nosewheel
White Knight is offline  
Old 18th May 2008, 06:23
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sale, Australia
Age: 80
Posts: 3,832
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
four of them all together up by the nosewheel
3 on the ground, 1 in the cockpit. Maths 101 errrrrr Don't touch that.
Brian Abraham is offline  
Old 18th May 2008, 06:39
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: kurunegala
Age: 40
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Danger HI.........

Hi.................
The Good news is that Placement has been converting at record highs for us


............................
kumari

http://fasttrackitc.com/sp/
annanyquistiyyi is offline  
Old 18th May 2008, 09:48
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Dorset UK
Age: 70
Posts: 1,899
Likes: 0
Received 15 Likes on 12 Posts
I don't know the 777, But on lots of A/C some maintenance procedures require Ldg Gear Lever to be placed in the UP position with Pins installed.

Saw a Northwest 747 at Gatwick many years ago with nose gear collapsed due to the Nose gear Pin shearing. I think the pin was not genuine Boeing part.

So maybe Mechs not fiddling!
dixi188 is offline  
Old 18th May 2008, 15:42
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: germany
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Saw a Northwest 747 at Gatwick many years ago with nose gear collapsed due to the Nose gear Pin shearing. I think the pin was not genuine Boeing part.
LH had a similar mishap on a 744 some time ago, if I am not mistaken...
earlyNFF is offline  
Old 18th May 2008, 16:50
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Minneapolis Mn USA
Posts: 91
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
VT-AIK ex N205UA owned and leased out of Emirates. The NW nose gear incident occurred because a push back pin (without spring loaded pip pin) rather than a nose gear down lock pin (with a spring loaded pip pin) was installed while the gear handle was cycled for an uplock leak check;it vibrated out on the fifth cycle.
BigJoeRice is offline  
Old 18th May 2008, 17:50
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Rockytop, Tennessee, USA
Posts: 5,898
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
The NW nose gear incident occurred because a push back pin (without spring loaded pip pin) rather than a nose gear down lock pin (with a spring loaded pip pin) was installed while the gear handle was cycled for an uplock leak check;it vibrated out on the fifth cycle.
Northwest had another 742 nose gear collapse in SIN in 1999. An Airbus gear pin with a handle welded on it was used during the leak check, the handle caught on the gear door with the inevitable result.
Airbubba is offline  
Old 18th May 2008, 18:51
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 459
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
This is not the first time and won't be the last gear is retracted on the ground.

Some simple rules can reduce the above.

1. Fit correct downlock pins.

2. Make sure downlock pin locking device is servicable and used.

You could also action Duplicate inspections and record such before gear selections are made.

All the above will have extra cost as the norm, so the bean counters will not be happy.
Joetom is offline  
Old 18th May 2008, 21:48
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ruislip Middlesex,England
Age: 69
Posts: 200
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
This accident has all the hallmarks of a test of the Alternate lowering system being carried out....a test we as engineers do quite often. Looks like they either forgot to install pin,(as happened to the BA 747 some years back),or it was a "dodgy pin" fitted.....either way it it's an expensive mistake!!
CHINOOKER is offline  
Old 19th May 2008, 18:47
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Korea
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
missing pins

can remember 3 cases when that happened (B747-400):
CAL at TPE; brand new freighter,
CV somewhere in China
and LH in FRA.
Heared from a mechanic that some hydraulic test procedure requires the lever to be placed up but the pins have to be installed before.
Well, weight of the plane is sufficient to hold the main gear in place but the nose gear will retract

http://www.airliners.net/photo/China-Airlines-Cargo/Boeing-747-409F-SCD/0222285/M/

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Cargolux/Boeing-747-4R7F-SCD/0994364/M/

maybe same (wrong) procedure?
tom744 is offline  
Old 19th May 2008, 19:10
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: cloud 9
Posts: 198
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thought the CAL 744F was through incorrect loading, which caused the nose to rise and the damage was done when the load shifted, causing the nose-wheel to collapse.
point8six is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.