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Shamrock 330 goes around in KBOS

Old 26th Aug 2001, 02:54
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Question Shamrock 330 goes around in KBOS

On a recent trip to KBOS on 22Aug the wx conditions was down to 800RVR.
1000 mid zone // 800 end zone
EVERYBODY and i mean EVERYBODY was getting on the ground yet a wee Irish voice came on the air saying " Shamrock 133 going around"

A question.......this aircraft is CAT III C approved???? It is able to do a full auto land yet it goes around.....my question is.......WHY????????

What's up with AL training these days????
Is the air back in the oul sod not as thick as it is here....or perhaps maybe the pilots are the thick ones.......

I appreciate your comments on the above and if the culprits read this perhaps you might enlighten us as.........
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 03:38
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Are you really a dipstick LR55 pilot from FLL? Your comments go to show what an utter anal transplant you are! Have you ever performed a Cat3 approach? I knwo you can't if you only fly a poxy little needle jet but I suppose you are a real macho pilot who can get in in any wx just using your bloated cojones for brains!

If you had even the IQ of a brick you would know that there are hundreds of reasons for an a/c to go-around, especially on a Cat3 autoland approach but obviously they used the wrong type of concrete for your brains to realise that. If you were a real pilot with some kind of training in Cat3 approaches you would know that but instead we have to put up with sh!t-for-brain stirrers like LR55 who want sound like impressive know-it-alls but end up just being another spotter with visions of grandeur!

Many of the people on here are the first to complain about the press sensationalising anything to do with aviation yet here we have yet another example of a supposedly aviation person showing how retarded they can be because they have no idea what they are talking about and trying to sensationalise a routine part of the job of flying a pax jet. It was a go-around. So what?

To imply that the crew were substandard because of that just goes to show how some eejits like LR55 can give us all a bad name because of their ignorance and stupidity. "I appreciate your comments on the above and if the culprits read this perhaps you might enlighten us as..." There is your comment. Give us all a break and crawl back to your Ladybird Book of Aeroplane Silhouettes and get a life. Preferably somewhere else far away from Pprune.
 
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CAT 11 and Cat111 certification are not given away as easily as you might think!!
Training and then line checks are required prior to doing a "full" approach. If one crew member is not current, then the approach can only be done to Cat 1 levels.
Many reasons could explain the G.A. Trust the crews, they do not want to risk their lives, or licenses!!
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 06:05
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LR55
why do you care about a go around????
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 06:34
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for sure he must be an unaware macho , LR55 , you really think this crew makes a go around instead of having a beer in the hotel-bar after a 6 hour flight ?
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 06:34
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LR55,

I second the sentiments written by OzDude.

D8
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 07:42
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Hey LR55,

Sometimes it is better to stand there and look stupid then open your mouth and prove you are.

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Old 26th Aug 2001, 08:26
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Ever considered other reasons for a go-around, such as cabin not being secure or the previous aircraft failing to vacate the runway quickly enough...?
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 11:44
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Didnt know that shamrock were still using the shed on the KBOS route!

PS This is a joke!
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 13:24
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It ain't the airplane's cert that counts, it's the pilot's training folder....

Besides, sounds like more block time to me!
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 15:13
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An aircraft does a "go around" for whatever reason. That's the pilots decision and rightly so. Better safe than sorry. LR55, what's your problem?
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 17:18
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Must agree on the poor quality of pilot who wrote this thread. I work at a major airport in the southern US and get to watch perfectly normal a/c do go arounds on clear days. Why? To many to list, but maybe traffic on the runway, bad approach, whatever! So on a BAD wx day, it just gets worse. And whats wrong on "one more" for safety sake? Cant hurt, unless you are min fuel. Tah from a spatcher.
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LR55: Are you type-rated on the FS2000 LR55?
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 17:39
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I fully agree with all responses thus far to LR55's inane comments, particularly Ozdudes eloquent rendering.

But LR55 isn't the only one, there seems to be a marked and worrying trend on this forum for "experts" to highlight and question almost every go around that occurs. If any of these queries are from genuine pilots then perhaps you could have a little think before leaping on here with your NO NEWS items. I actually wonder if they are all journos that ask the questions because I cannot believe any pilot witnessing a go around would deem it worthy of a question here.
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Old 26th Aug 2001, 18:00
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Have had airline station managers question go-arounds at times. As they are not pilots, many (not all) have no idea what the situation is like (or can be) at 100 AGL, or lower. Had one station chief on the obs seat into FRA one day for a CAT II approach, and he was quite surprised at the view thru the murk.
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From time to time aircraft will lose their Cat 2 or 3 status because of tech probs. Also if any of the operating crew were not Cat 2 or 3 qual or current, then irrespective of the aircraft status the aircraft is only Cat 1, as the crew are part of the 'system'. So in addition to the myriad of failures/errors which could lead to Cat 1 reversion, perhaps the aircraft or crew were'nt qualified-just a thought!!!
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Old 27th Aug 2001, 00:22
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Close the thread please folks as LR55 is obviously a frustrated clerk.......what the hell does LR55 equate to? Low reaction, low results,little rod,light reason, LEAVE US ALONE!
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Old 27th Aug 2001, 01:28
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Captain to new Cabin Supervisor: "If you need more time to do your cabin secure, just let me know and we will do a go-around"

- true....

On a more serious note.. how many accident reports have you read where pilots have made bad decisions to land and have ended up in pieces.

What is the big deal with a go-around anyway?

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Old 27th Aug 2001, 01:49
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What a complete plonker! Well said Ozdude- couldn't have put it better myself! Look around- there are complete idiots everywhere! pprune seems to be attracting too many these days!
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Old 27th Aug 2001, 02:05
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Hello "LR55"...IS THIS A WINDUP?...Where I come from all instrument approaches are to a go-around...If it happens that a crew can establish a satisfactory visual reference,then,sometimes they even land...TR3
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