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ANA Captain let FA's take controls

Old 7th Apr 2008, 02:15
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So sad that we have to be protected from ourselves.

And you don't have to be up front to fool around with the aircraft, at least on some types. Forty years ago my younger brother recounted with great glee how to throw a PBY5A out of trim from the back just by pulling on the overhead wires. Of course the pilot knew exactly what was going on (his own son was instructing which wires to pull) and, in response, would employ his own methods of scaring the living sh1t out of the kids in the back.
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Old 7th Apr 2008, 02:23
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FA at the controls

Yeah, she sat there whilst the thing was on auto-pilot most likely and was given to think she was in control. Before 9/11 the practice of allowing some one to occupy the RH was not all that rare. Sitting there v's having control are two distinctly different situations. Lighten up a bit.
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Old 7th Apr 2008, 08:57
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Good CRM.

This used to be fairly common & I've allowed FAs in the RHS on a few occasions - always on empty positioning sectors - and the ones who get it right are often a surprise.

It made for good crew relations quite apart from being harmless fun. But of course that was when we were allowed to apply common sense........
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Old 7th Apr 2008, 12:06
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Mile High

Hi all.

not sure how many readers on this thread are in the UK, however there is a program on skytv called Mile High - following a make believe airline called Fresh. many times, when it shows scenes during in-flight, when the captain or first officer needs to leave the flight deck, they call for the senior FA to occupy the seat made vacant.

now i know that it is just a TV program (scripted, not fly on the wall), but would this be normal procedure for a FA to fill the vacant seat whilst FD crew was absent from the FD?
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Old 7th Apr 2008, 17:49
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but would this be normal procedure for a FA to fill the vacant seat whilst FD crew was absent from the FD?
it is not uncommon for an airline SOPs to have the requirement for there to be two people on the flight deck at all times, so that if one of the flight crew needs to go elsewhere, one of the cabin crew will go stand in the cockpit. Whether that involves sitting in the hot seat is another matter, I'd say jump seat is more likely because it minimises the chance of bumping something important by accident. You have to weigh the chance of the FA needing to wrestle with the controls in the event that the PIC collapses compared to the need for the other pilot to get back into the chair real quick
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Old 7th Apr 2008, 18:10
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When I reference her name correctly, I will post it, but----

there was a WASP pilot---who'd flown everything form C-47's to P51's during WWII [in fact the only type not flown by her was the P-38 lightning]--after the war Although she was a highly experienced DC-3 pilot AA refused to hire her in that capacity---and subsequently the only way for her to stay in the sky was to become an FA---but the captains of AA acknowledged this fact and frequently let her fly---and land form both seats---There was an article about this in Aopa's magazine- don't even know the month--


---what a dreadful shame--I'm happy certain things [such as this] have changed---but other changes definitely turn professional flying into a real job

I wish people in airline management today would realize that the FD is NOT a corporate handwaving function, but a place of real work---I'm off to pontificate on common IFR producers now

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Old 7th Apr 2008, 20:11
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You don't know any RAF police do you? Be better letting the police dog land the plane.

A likely tail!


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Old 8th Apr 2008, 16:31
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On the other hand...

Several years ago, a bush pilot friend of mine in Africa was flying a well-known German racing car driver (also a pilot) to his holiday destination in a Cessna 206. Out of professional courtesy, he offered this character the chance to fly for a while, only to be met by:
'No thank you - zat is vot I am paying you for.'
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Old 8th Apr 2008, 18:06
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Fright attendant...

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Old 8th Apr 2008, 18:17
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did that in my earlier flying career and glad i did it too because it gave a lasting impression on the chap that made him decide to be a pilot ! flying was alot more fun during those days......
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Old 8th Apr 2008, 18:36
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IIRC, wasn't it SOP for a member of Cabin Staff to occupy whichever seat and read the Checklist, in the event of a Flight Deck incapacitation. This was normal and they were trained for it.

Another known factor is that a number of Cabin Staff are trained Commercial Pilots but,for a lack of airline flying experience, are unable to get jobs just yet.

IMHO, why the hell not, particularly on a positioning leg. ?? Great CRM !
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Old 8th Apr 2008, 18:39
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Very sad that this cant be the norm any more,
I had not one Cabin crew member but two of them with me up the front recently, one in the control seat one in the jump , no big deal, in fact it was just me and them, they were to interested in there dvd player movie that they were watching for me
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Old 8th Apr 2008, 20:19
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AP on, mach set, alt. set, heading set from PIC . Result : A blind person can fly.
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Old 9th Apr 2008, 05:29
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Spades, arses and other things

Fork Handles, maybe I am just out of touch with modern jargon as your comment "Notice how they can't be arsed after the first season" is intriguing. Does your comment mean what is seems to say?
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Old 9th Apr 2008, 13:26
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Didn't an HRH bend a 146 when unofficially occupying the RH seat? I seem to recall that PNF got it in the neck for not telling the PF to go around.
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Old 9th Apr 2008, 13:38
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Nothing good will come of it!

Avman, sorry man, I gotta do it.

'Bout the Aeroflot AB that went down when the Captain's kid was "flying" the plane. As far as I remember the FO was in his seat and the cause for the issue was a unknown glitch with the AB's autopilot, when the yoke was held over for more than 20 (ish) seconds. It wouldn't have happened ......
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