Ryanair bomb scare
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Catabolic
Everything you say is true and of course my company has guidelines but I feel you are being slightly disingenuous as you now are generalising whereas the original posting contained this line:
My point in replying was that I don't believe any manager would put such a line in an ops manual (he would be a very brave individual indeed or a fool) therefore there is no point in quoting such a line to a pilot after the event.
Guidelines are just that and for very good reason.
Everything you say is true and of course my company has guidelines but I feel you are being slightly disingenuous as you now are generalising whereas the original posting contained this line:
The captain was told in no uncertain terms that 'Its impossible to get a bomb on an aircraft in Europe' and what as he doing.
Guidelines are just that and for very good reason.
if you look carefully or ask questions in your company you may be surprised that there is indeed guidelines available to you.
It should be proactively made clear by flt ops. If it ain't then, of course, refer to above by Catabolic IBS.
(just learnt a new word - wonder if our body builders know that anabolic can have catabolic effects - where least desired
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There is, on the contrary, a great benefit to posting the information here,
As for Ryanair's security, if you want to bring a lifejacket with you in hold luggage, fly Ryanair.
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Good case of kettle, pot and black arrange in an order, I forget, with a few additional words!
As a worker in that field, I stongly, strongly disagree. Security matters are not for discussion in public discourse. End of.
As for Ryanair's security, if you want to bring a lifejacket with you in hold luggage, fly Ryanair.
As for Ryanair's security, if you want to bring a lifejacket with you in hold luggage, fly Ryanair.
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As a worker in that field, I stongly, strongly disagree. Security matters are not for discussion in public discourse. End of.
Until I am treated as part of the solution and not part of the problem, I'll be a little more gracious. But until then, I have greater chance (probably by several orders of magnitude) of losing my job because I haven't followed some stupid rule than by any terrorist action. The muppets guarding the magnetic arches are making the lives of the travelling public and operating crews more difficult purely for (expensive) window dressing reasons. Unfortunately, "Security" confuses action with achievement.
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This story does not surprise me at all!! The guy has a bad rep amongst the pilots at FR and is just another example of an inept Capt put into a position of authority in this company who does not deserve to be there. He and a few others in similar positions of authority in FR are the guys that most FOs HATE flying with due to their belief that they are Gods and general/complete lack of CRM. As an FO do you ever feel you can speak up against these people?? Of course not!!
Sorry, but a bomb threat from whoever and when ever IS to be taken seriously and I donīt think that the Capt should ever be castegated for taking the safe option. However, as much as I dislike this guy and many others at FR (bit like the whoīs who of the Nazi party!) I really canīt believe that he would say this!!
Just the views of someone who does know a fair bit about the workings of this airline!
MS
Sorry, but a bomb threat from whoever and when ever IS to be taken seriously and I donīt think that the Capt should ever be castegated for taking the safe option. However, as much as I dislike this guy and many others at FR (bit like the whoīs who of the Nazi party!) I really canīt believe that he would say this!!
Just the views of someone who does know a fair bit about the workings of this airline!
MS
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My point is there are many shades of grey and command responsibilities have to be taken in context. I prefer guidelines written by a security expert, endorsed by the state of register of the aircraft and signed by the chief pilot.
Not quite agreeing with you there...You have the responsibility of the flight and your passengers, and unless you are in direct contact with the great Truth which is maybe resting her head on a cumulus above, you certainly cannot assess anything, balance the risks, try to understand...There is a bonb threat, you land ASAP, and that is all there is to say about it. It does not happen often, and it is part of the costs of operating an airline. I never gave a thought to what managers, chief pilots (close to the managers) or anybody else could tell me...I made the decision, and it's very easy when you have understood that you have no choice whatsoever.
Not quite agreeing with you there...You have the responsibility of the flight and your passengers, and unless you are in direct contact with the great Truth which is maybe resting her head on a cumulus above, you certainly cannot assess anything, balance the risks, try to understand...There is a bonb threat, you land ASAP, and that is all there is to say about it. It does not happen often, and it is part of the costs of operating an airline. I never gave a thought to what managers, chief pilots (close to the managers) or anybody else could tell me...I made the decision, and it's very easy when you have understood that you have no choice whatsoever.
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I myself have(without realising) taken a 2ltr bottle of water onto the aircraft from left over from a previous flight - unchallenged!!
but its ok, I can't take on my 110ml bottle of (anything!!!) in case I try to take over the plane or blow it up
but its ok, I can't take on my 110ml bottle of (anything!!!) in case I try to take over the plane or blow it up
