Ryan Air emergency landing
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Zico, I would call that a multiple failure and I agree with your assertion that it constitutes more than a precautionary landing. Don't listen to the other guy.
As for why one engine/pack would not keep the airframe pressurised well... perhaps there were too many leaks?
I have never worked or applied/been turned down by Ryanair so I have no axe to grind. As an aviation professional I do not have a rosy about the way they operate. For me they fail the 'Wife and Kids' test so there is no way I or any of mine would fly with them - End of Story.
As for why one engine/pack would not keep the airframe pressurised well... perhaps there were too many leaks?
I have never worked or applied/been turned down by Ryanair so I have no axe to grind. As an aviation professional I do not have a rosy about the way they operate. For me they fail the 'Wife and Kids' test so there is no way I or any of mine would fly with them - End of Story.
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Starting calling names to colleages can hardly be regarded as professional... but then, according to his profile, he is still looking for a real job. . .If an engine failure combined with pressure loss doesn't add up to an emergency, I guess my wings will have to fall off before I am allowed to make a madaycall <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
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I was about 3000ft and 5 miles away from them when they shut down the no1 engine. The crew seemed to be coping just fine, and the reasons they gave to ATC justified their actions.
One contrail did look a bit weird though!!
One contrail did look a bit weird though!!
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OK Boys, here is what you have to do as a budget airline to keep everyone happy if you get a failure in flight:
1) Hold as long as you can until the nearest large airport is ready to accommodate you all,
2) Get ACARs messages off to all and sundry to set the record straight before the "emergency landing" and drama occurs,
3) Have all pax served Champagne and given hugs by the girls,
4) Make sure the Care teams and psychologists are waiting,
Done all that? OK - now get out that checklist and - oh yes! One of you had better fly it and try to put it down real smooth... What's that? Still complaining? Ah yes - they will, until they get double the fare back. Welcome to Budget Whinger Land.
1) Hold as long as you can until the nearest large airport is ready to accommodate you all,
2) Get ACARs messages off to all and sundry to set the record straight before the "emergency landing" and drama occurs,
3) Have all pax served Champagne and given hugs by the girls,
4) Make sure the Care teams and psychologists are waiting,
Done all that? OK - now get out that checklist and - oh yes! One of you had better fly it and try to put it down real smooth... What's that? Still complaining? Ah yes - they will, until they get double the fare back. Welcome to Budget Whinger Land.
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In my book it's all very easy and clear:
Any malfunction REQUIRING an unsceduled landing and a priority is an emergency situation.
Malfunctions could be of a type that makes you land, just to avoid a bad situation to develop.. .This is called a precautionary landing.
Malfunctions causing landings where you can get proper and quick repair, to avoid heavier delays from the "outback airport" that's your destination, is a technical landing.
The big difference is that the emergency landing is not of your choice, but the precautionary and technical is.
Affangu, I wonder who is the real amateur here.. .I have only flown airplanes for 35 years, and i certainly want to keep myself alive and well until my retirement in 4 years.
Best regards Bad-man
Any malfunction REQUIRING an unsceduled landing and a priority is an emergency situation.
Malfunctions could be of a type that makes you land, just to avoid a bad situation to develop.. .This is called a precautionary landing.
Malfunctions causing landings where you can get proper and quick repair, to avoid heavier delays from the "outback airport" that's your destination, is a technical landing.
The big difference is that the emergency landing is not of your choice, but the precautionary and technical is.
Affangu, I wonder who is the real amateur here.. .I have only flown airplanes for 35 years, and i certainly want to keep myself alive and well until my retirement in 4 years.
Best regards Bad-man
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As someone who has made six single-engine landings in twin-engine aircraft (all unplanned), every one warrants a "mayday" to start with; in fact it's SOP with my company. It gets the emergency services cranked up in case you need them. Easy enough to downgrade later. Sounds to me as though the crew did the right thing. There's a lot of Ryan-bashing goes on here, but you can't criticise a right decision.
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I heard this in the air about 2 months ago....
" EZY***, we have a slight problem and would like to return to Liverpool for a landing...."
He was given the heading to go strait in and landed ok. His problem.? A bird strike over North Wales and they shutdown the number 1 engine there and then.......
" EZY***, we have a slight problem and would like to return to Liverpool for a landing...."
He was given the heading to go strait in and landed ok. His problem.? A bird strike over North Wales and they shutdown the number 1 engine there and then.......
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without wishing to sound disrespectful, some people may recollect a certain 734 operated by a British airline, where engine failure ended up on the M1 - the Ryan boys were right to call for back up.
(RIP those who were in the above)
(RIP those who were in the above)
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Unaccustomed as I am to Ryan geographics, you say it was heading for Stockholm and landed at Aarhus/Tirstrup. Does that mean it reached its intended destination or not?. . <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
ps Danny you've taken away the see other people's posts facility?
ps Danny you've taken away the see other people's posts facility?
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Twistedenginestarter,. .Aarhus/Tirstrup is on the eastcoast of Jutland in Denmark, on the track from London to Stockholm.
Magplug, I´ll take your advice. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> . .Two of the systems that I appreciate to have the most when at FL370 are engines and press. When both give me problems, I feel I have no choice of going down to terra firma. That kind´a makes the word "precautionary landing" a little farfetched in my book.. .As someone said, say the word mayday, get the services out there...it´s easy to downgrade later on.. .No bashing of Ryan Air in this. Could have happened to any airline. Seems to me, the crew did just fine.
Magplug, I´ll take your advice. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> . .Two of the systems that I appreciate to have the most when at FL370 are engines and press. When both give me problems, I feel I have no choice of going down to terra firma. That kind´a makes the word "precautionary landing" a little farfetched in my book.. .As someone said, say the word mayday, get the services out there...it´s easy to downgrade later on.. .No bashing of Ryan Air in this. Could have happened to any airline. Seems to me, the crew did just fine.
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MagplugMethinks you are on the wrong track about One Pack to be insufficient to maintin the cabin due to there being "too many leaks".
I don't see how this can be possible on the brand new 800, understandable if it had been the 200.
In my humble opinion I think the boys did a superb job and should be given a pat on the back for a job well done.
I don't see how this can be possible on the brand new 800, understandable if it had been the 200.
In my humble opinion I think the boys did a superb job and should be given a pat on the back for a job well done.
No matter where you land or how soon after an engine shutdown etc, even if the company Flt Standards pilots agree with your decisions, your local aviation "authorities" might second guess your choice of nearest suitable airport and how long it took you to get there. You might consider the need for such a diversion to be almost like a major emergency.
They could fine you/suspend your license for a while, merely in order to demonstrate their superior skills at legal interpretations.
They could fine you/suspend your license for a while, merely in order to demonstrate their superior skills at legal interpretations.
