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German Do328 ran off runway

Old 19th Mar 2008, 20:26
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German Do328 ran off runway

a german Cirrus airlines Dornier Do328 (prop) ran beyond the end of the runway at Mannheim City coming to rest with its left wing and prop substantially damaged.
Its left u/c appreared to have collapsed.

no injuries among 27 on board. Aircraft came from Berlin.

Mannheim runway has 1066 meters.

www.jacdec.de (with pic)

IIRC there had been other overruns with this type of aircraft before ?
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more pics:

http://www.morgenweb.de/region/mannh...1a2f51df386803


Thats the one I know:

Genoa, Italy, Minerva Airlines, 4 fatalities.

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/1999/1999-13.htm
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one more occasion at least:

http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...CSB%201-08.pdf
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What do you mean with "German Do328"?

Are there "Iranian or Nigerian" Do328s?
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Only by correctly positioning the power levers at a precise angle, ie in light contact with the flight idle stops, will the fingers be able to operate the latches solely against the spring pressure in order to move smoothly into the
beta range and thence into reverse.
The required sequence involves delicate, accurate movement of levers whose operation is fairly stiff, (accentuated for a pilot in the right-hand seat by the offset of the power levers positioning them further from his body) followed, often rapidly, by lifting of the latches.
Deliberate difficulty in attempting a continuous movement through idle thrust to reverse is created by the designed-in need to change hand position during the process.
This cannot be tolerated any longer, surely? People have already died... Why wait till the 4th or 5th occurrence for a full and final resolution fix when cockpit/control ergonomics are patently 'an accident waiting to happen'

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"Are there "Iranian or Nigerian" Do328s?"

What I think he was referring to was the fact that the operator is a German Company. (There is a 328 (Jet) in Nigeria by the way.)

There was also another 328 runway over run in December 2006 in Columbia.

Hope the crew and pax not too shaken up. Got more than a few hours in the 328, what a lovely machine to operate but those throttle latches could be a bit of a pain at times. Please note I am not implying that is the case in this incident, just have to wait for the accident report and the investigators to do their stuff.
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What do you mean with "German Do328"?
that's a stupid remark, sorry. Of course readywhenreaching meant German REGISTERED Do 328. Why do you guys have to always find flaws in everything?

I have flown Mannheim a few times, but in SEP's. It is a VERY tricky airfield!
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agree with WestWind...

German = german

Cirrus = german

DO328 = german...

So 3 times stated...

excellent chiglet..

I did manheim a few times in a C500...10 years ago..quite demanding field..
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3500' you're kidding

how is that even legal?
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It has been a rough few weeks for "Germans" and landings.
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It has been a rough few weeks for "Germans" and landings.
You beat me to it! As they say "bad things always happen in threes!" I guess the Germans are now going to be fine for a while!
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Was there not one just last month in Asia somewhere ?

That was a runway excursion......
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Also after looking at the pics above and excuse me for a silly question, but where is the left hand prop?

Right hand prop in fine pitch.....
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the left hand prop---

is now on a Nigerian Do328 !!!!! ha.
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Spinner of L/H engine lies below cabin door, blades seperated...
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Whatever the causes of this mishap - just how many incidents have Cirrus had during the last 12-24 months??? They are certainly mounting up!
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German news magazine Der Spiegel claims it was due to a brake failure: http://www.spiegel.de/reise/aktuell/...542604,00.html
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Brake failure .....

Interesting to read in the AAIB report linked above the comment by a captain on the type that the retardation from the props when the latch works correctly is normally such that braking on the runway is not required.
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City Star Airlines (now defunct) had a 328T overrun at Aberdeen in June 06. Was not a power lever/detent issue a contributing factor to that one as the runway upwind end was rapidly approaching ?

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