No more expat pilots in India after JuneŽ08?
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As far as I know, expat FO wonŽt join any Indian carrier from June the 1st, but the ones that are flying here already, will last until their validation expires. But not a forced expiry! But hey..now this new rumour begins..all expat validations will expire on May 31st...
Have the Indian Govt or DGCA measured the impact this new law will have on Indian carriers if they forced them to comply with it right now??
Or..is it just a matter of money???..you know..
Regards
Have the Indian Govt or DGCA measured the impact this new law will have on Indian carriers if they forced them to comply with it right now??
Or..is it just a matter of money???..you know..
Regards
I do have experience of being a contract pilot on the Indian sub-continent.
I doubt that this pronouncement will ever happen, but if it does, it will be for quite a short time.
When aircraft stop moving and things look like coming to a halt, money will change hands at a high level and the situation will be reversed.
Situation normal, I would say.
Just make sure that before you agree to go back, you increase your fee by at least 25% for your contract will absolutely NOT last for ever!
I doubt that this pronouncement will ever happen, but if it does, it will be for quite a short time.
When aircraft stop moving and things look like coming to a halt, money will change hands at a high level and the situation will be reversed.
Situation normal, I would say.
Just make sure that before you agree to go back, you increase your fee by at least 25% for your contract will absolutely NOT last for ever!
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Ex pat employment in any country is purely based on non availability of local skill.An aeroplane like A 320 does not demand manual flying skills of older planes. New generation computer savy kid with aptitude for flying will be comfortable in this plane.It gives time to develop other essential aspects of flying.Most of the young ones I have been flying with are quiet competent and keen as they should be.Some Ex pat captains also have been found wanting just as anybody else and have lost their jobs.India has its biases but is a very tolerant country.
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An aeroplane like A 320 does not demand manual flying skills of older planes.
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I saw many indian pilots get killed on 89-91 in US when I was there on traininng and later as FI, everyweek a couple of them. No english, no technical staff, sorry to say this but I donŽt trust them.
Do you mean 1889- 1891 ?
Ex pat employment in any country is purely based on non availability of local skill.An aeroplane like A 320 does not demand manual flying skills of older planes. New generation computer savy kid with aptitude for flying will be comfortable in this plane.It gives time to develop other essential aspects of flying.Most of the young ones I have been flying with are quiet competent and keen as they should be.Some Ex pat captains also have been found wanting just as anybody else and have lost their jobs.India has its biases but is a very tolerant country.
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some schools in USA gave licences( FAA) to students without even doing actual flying on single engine. when those schools got black listed in ICAO countries,they changed there name and kept on doing the same bussiness.
at least this new system of training and issueing the licence to learn is still
some schools in USA gave licences( FAA) to students without even doing actual flying on single engine. when those schools got black listed in ICAO countries,they changed there name and kept on doing the same bussiness.
at least this new system of training and issueing the licence to learn is still
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well Walker maybe I should tell you my experiences of flying with American FOs.....the only thing one of them could do was Goddamn ..what the hell is going on here ?????he just couldn't keep up with the aircraft or the environment....and the less said about his technical knowledge of the aircraft the better...the only thing he could say was...jezz that's for the engineers....just remember your race does not make you a good pilot..it;s your personal ability...and I agree there are Indian guys and girls who don;t deserve to sit on the flight deck one bit but I'm sure there are Americans of the same breed strutting around....
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Well don't want to comment on Indian pilots vs expats.
Just got my contract cancelled today. Was supposed to leave soon.
Was told this is a final decision and will not be changed.
Just got my contract cancelled today. Was supposed to leave soon.
Was told this is a final decision and will not be changed.
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Senior Indian airline executive has just confirmed that this is idle speculation that arose after some questions about security with non-Indian pilots, it's not going to happen ( he says )
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I do not know what your opinion is based on. Mine is based on my experience as a check captain on the B 747 and A 300 and close to 1500 hrs on A320 in command and having flown the good old DC3 in the valleys of the Himalayan mountains in military flying and HS 748.It is another thing that standards get diluted when there is rapid expansion.
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Well, the ruling is for expat First Officers and not expat Captain or TRI/TRE. I personally do not see anything wrong with it. Yes, India is protecting the local co-pilots but you cannot say that they are kicking out experience first officers. Some of the expat FO's are also low time pilots and they have come to India to build time.
Now the biggest question is if June'08 is a feasible date? There is no way airlines can train locals and complete their type rating and have them flying as an FO by June'08. We Indians love paperwork and I can bet my life on it that it will take close to 6 months to train an ab-initio 200 hour pilot to sit on the right seat of A320/B737/ATR.
So my guess is that very soon you will see extension to this rule. Then again DGCA is very unpredictable; they have recently stopped renewing the RT license for Indian pilots who've had their RT licenses issued on the basis of foreign RT.
Good luck to all FO's.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/G...ow/2838101.cms
Now the biggest question is if June'08 is a feasible date? There is no way airlines can train locals and complete their type rating and have them flying as an FO by June'08. We Indians love paperwork and I can bet my life on it that it will take close to 6 months to train an ab-initio 200 hour pilot to sit on the right seat of A320/B737/ATR.
So my guess is that very soon you will see extension to this rule. Then again DGCA is very unpredictable; they have recently stopped renewing the RT license for Indian pilots who've had their RT licenses issued on the basis of foreign RT.
Good luck to all FO's.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/G...ow/2838101.cms
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Hi Desipilot....You are right the local FOs should be given an opportunity instead of expats who are here to build time...BTW the powers that be at the DGCA and the Dept. of Telecom have made a few changes to the RT ruling...if you have the RT and CPL from the same state which should be a commonwealth country then no problem...in addition they have extended the deadline for the guys who don't qualify under this rule...
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New generation computer savy kid with aptitude for flying will be comfortable in this plane.
Basic rules:
1. You can fly an Airbus just like any other aeroplane.
2. If it doesn't do what you want or expect, take over.
And what will happen if they are faced with a failure that leaves them in alternate law, direct law or with no autothrust? There is no substitute for basic skills and basic airmanship. Some things will never change.
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computer generation? or is it because of automation?.. those are two very different facts... can anybody say that their brand spanking new airbus or boeing 737NG fresh out from the factory will always be 100% operational... maybe you forgot about a little thing called "REALITY" my friend... anything can happen once you're up their flying on FL310 or 1,500 ft. AGL... can you use your ECAM/GNSS etc... if you have a full DC/ACW GEN loss? or how about a total hydraulic failure? there goes another new plane written-off.. sad to say but how many new planes that have been in an "incident" as what they say had very hard landings or "bouncy-bouncy" effect as what other indians call it... experience is the best teacher Mr. Vilas.. and basic flying skills are great tools when the need arises... 