Males' Lav Sex Causes New York Flight Terror Alert - BBC
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thanks for the condescending advice regarding my ranting. my remarks were directed specifically to one person who was speaking out of ignorance. i also noted that i have witnessed several others on this board with similar uneducated views of the marshall program. you say that most here understand america's problem. well, obviously my comments were not directed to those people. there are numerous anti-american (whether they be overt or covert, they are still obvious)on this thread. thats fine. you say you understand were america is coming from but you criticize me for defending our actions and the marshalls that are defending our aircraft. i didnt see you criticize the rediculous comments of the person that i was responding to. i do not mind criticism, after all, this is a big part of a free society. but when i see criticism that is not founded in fact and who's only use is to demean another individual or nation, i will respond accordingly.
"and don't antagonize your supporters".. .once again i wasnt responding to our "supporters", but to the few here how take advantage of every chance to criticize the U.S. i am not sure how defending our actions reflects on my level-headedness. i take it you expect everyone just to sit back politely and take what ever "advise" comes from the high and mighty.
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thanks for the condescending advice regarding my ranting. my remarks were directed specifically to one person who was speaking out of ignorance. i also noted that i have witnessed several others on this board with similar uneducated views of the marshall program. you say that most here understand america's problem. well, obviously my comments were not directed to those people. there are numerous anti-american (whether they be overt or covert, they are still obvious)on this thread. thats fine. you say you understand were america is coming from but you criticize me for defending our actions and the marshalls that are defending our aircraft. i didnt see you criticize the rediculous comments of the person that i was responding to. i do not mind criticism, after all, this is a big part of a free society. but when i see criticism that is not founded in fact and who's only use is to demean another individual or nation, i will respond accordingly.
"and don't antagonize your supporters".. .once again i wasnt responding to our "supporters", but to the few here how take advantage of every chance to criticize the U.S. i am not sure how defending our actions reflects on my level-headedness. i take it you expect everyone just to sit back politely and take what ever "advise" comes from the high and mighty.
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Com'on with it LMD I got your six...well said bro lets roll in and do a" jelly bean run"... <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> <img src="mad.gif" border="0"> ...OK last on the ground buys... <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
Hey folks, no reason to attack each other. Our enemies belong mostly to Al Qaeda.
By the way, one of our channels featured a segment from onboard a Boeing AWACs aircraft, mostly with a European crew in back on the radars 'etc'. I believe that the plane is normally staffed by various NATO personnel and is based in Europe.
The plane's operation, obviously international, allowed the Italian, German, Belgian... crewmembers to chat in front of the camera, and show their uniform patches while the aircraft orbited over or near Washington, DC.
Maybe this is not the only one over here?
By the way, one of our channels featured a segment from onboard a Boeing AWACs aircraft, mostly with a European crew in back on the radars 'etc'. I believe that the plane is normally staffed by various NATO personnel and is based in Europe.
The plane's operation, obviously international, allowed the Italian, German, Belgian... crewmembers to chat in front of the camera, and show their uniform patches while the aircraft orbited over or near Washington, DC.
Maybe this is not the only one over here?
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>>Maybe this is not the only one over here?
. .There are several, you can hear them calling "Metro" on UHF with pireps and requests for landing weather at Tinker AFB when they do their shift change. American officers are aboard to coordinate their activities.
Flying NATO AWACS over the U.S. is a politically expedient way for the more timid nations to help the war effort without getting shot at, at home or abroad.
. .There are several, you can hear them calling "Metro" on UHF with pireps and requests for landing weather at Tinker AFB when they do their shift change. American officers are aboard to coordinate their activities.
Flying NATO AWACS over the U.S. is a politically expedient way for the more timid nations to help the war effort without getting shot at, at home or abroad.
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LMD no condescension was intended.. .I am sorry to see you percieve it that way.
I believe that this board gives people from different parts of the world, united by an interest in aviation, the chance to improve their mutual understanding by discussing a wide range of topics.
We need not agree on things, and we don't. But the chance of understanding why the other person thinks the way he or she does, greatly improves when the tone of the debate is civil.. .When it deteriorates into a slanging match, people stop trying to see eachother's point of view and start trying to score points over eachother.. .Which IMHO wastes a a great and unique opportunity!
Your countrymen on this board, people like Ignition Override, Airbubba, Wino, Ed Winchester and many many others, foster dialogue by keeping a civil tongue in their moouth, by using persuasive arguments and by their ability to see that there are different ways of percieving the same situation. . .Theirs are the kinds of posts that make a European like me sit up, take note and think.. .Your posts merely provide those looking for them with the tools to bash America.
. .But each to his own, and you obviously espouse the "if you are not 100% us you're against us" theory. . .Fair enough man, let's agree to differ on that one.
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I believe that this board gives people from different parts of the world, united by an interest in aviation, the chance to improve their mutual understanding by discussing a wide range of topics.
We need not agree on things, and we don't. But the chance of understanding why the other person thinks the way he or she does, greatly improves when the tone of the debate is civil.. .When it deteriorates into a slanging match, people stop trying to see eachother's point of view and start trying to score points over eachother.. .Which IMHO wastes a a great and unique opportunity!
Your countrymen on this board, people like Ignition Override, Airbubba, Wino, Ed Winchester and many many others, foster dialogue by keeping a civil tongue in their moouth, by using persuasive arguments and by their ability to see that there are different ways of percieving the same situation. . .Theirs are the kinds of posts that make a European like me sit up, take note and think.. .Your posts merely provide those looking for them with the tools to bash America.
. .But each to his own, and you obviously espouse the "if you are not 100% us you're against us" theory. . .Fair enough man, let's agree to differ on that one.
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LMD - "maybe your country's military aircraft have a hard time controlling themselves but these guys know what they are doing."
Marvellous, now that's likely to get peoples backs up isn't it? If you have a 'private' issue with a posting on here, why not email the person involved?
Best wishes - Mark.
Marvellous, now that's likely to get peoples backs up isn't it? If you have a 'private' issue with a posting on here, why not email the person involved?
Best wishes - Mark.
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LMD - How nicely your rose to the bait. Just go back and read what I said and then read your totally PARANOID answer. I said nothing about 911 and the way it was handled (maybe your own paranoia reads things between the lines - who knows). I was commenting on 2 F-16s intercepting 'Shag Air'. The expression ‘get a grip’ springs to mind. 
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FlapsForty,
An absolutely fantastic response. Measured, calm and reasoned.
LMD - try taking lessons from FlapsForty. And before you berate other countries military please avail yourself of the USAF's history of 'Friendly Fire' incidents. And I'm not saying the USAF are any worse or better than any other military outfit. . .Before you reply in future try taking a deep breath and counting to ten. You may find your opinions are more valued.. . <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
An absolutely fantastic response. Measured, calm and reasoned.
LMD - try taking lessons from FlapsForty. And before you berate other countries military please avail yourself of the USAF's history of 'Friendly Fire' incidents. And I'm not saying the USAF are any worse or better than any other military outfit. . .Before you reply in future try taking a deep breath and counting to ten. You may find your opinions are more valued.. . <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
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Whilst I agree with Flaps40, particlarly in her first post which was superb, the stupid comments spoiling the discussion haven't been all on one-sided.. .'Mode7' is obviously pleased with his efforts "How nicely you rose to the bait." Quite why he wanted to bait LMD, is less obvious.. .As (sadly) often happens, there are a number of anti-American comments including some from 'armchair world leaders' who think they could handle affiars better than the President and his team of advisors. Although it's far better if people can ignore provocative comments and 'bait', human nature being what it is ..... etc
I have sympathy for the US. In the period immediately following September 11, this board was awash with criticisms of the Americans for (alleged) lack of aviation security. Now, people are very quick to criticise them for being paranoid and going OTT. See, for example, the 'kbf1' post.
The same thing happens re UK security - we've had a series of posts (and idiotic Press scare-mongering) drawing attention to supposed gaps in security at UK airports, and another series describing incidents of "jobsworths" going completely OTT when checking crews.
I realise this is probably a minority view (and from an amateur at that!), but I think the sooner we get back to a reasonable level of security the better. . .If we don't, the terrorists will have won because they will have forced us to change our life-style, possibly forever. . .Zero risk is impossible to achieve but, even if it could be achieved, in my view the increase in security necessary would be intolerable.
That's it - back to the day job!
I have sympathy for the US. In the period immediately following September 11, this board was awash with criticisms of the Americans for (alleged) lack of aviation security. Now, people are very quick to criticise them for being paranoid and going OTT. See, for example, the 'kbf1' post.
The same thing happens re UK security - we've had a series of posts (and idiotic Press scare-mongering) drawing attention to supposed gaps in security at UK airports, and another series describing incidents of "jobsworths" going completely OTT when checking crews.
I realise this is probably a minority view (and from an amateur at that!), but I think the sooner we get back to a reasonable level of security the better. . .If we don't, the terrorists will have won because they will have forced us to change our life-style, possibly forever. . .Zero risk is impossible to achieve but, even if it could be achieved, in my view the increase in security necessary would be intolerable.
That's it - back to the day job!
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Yes indeed gravity victim, to paraphrase Mode7 above, looks like they ‘rose to the bait’ rather quickly. Hope they’re handed stiff sentences, rather shocking what some people do in the aft lavatory isn’t it?
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Of course I believe we are making the mistake of thinking that the terrorists are stupid, when that could not be furthur from the truth. The odds of the next terrorist attack, and I hope and pray there is not one, using an aircraft and flying it into a city are remote.. .Any "sensible" terrorist, will think of something else. Watch the news from around the world and I'm sure you can come up with a few ideas. The danger is that we are fighting the last war.
With regard to LMD's statement. . [quote]maybe your country's military aircraft have a hard time controlling themselves but these guys know what they are doing <hr></blockquote>. .I respect your military, but lets face it you don't have exactly a perfect record with hitting the right targets, as the "friendly fire" incident in the Gulf War proved, when US A-10 pilots killed 9 and wounded 11 British soldiers. Yes it was a war ,yes mistakes happen, but no military pilots are not infalliable. Armed jets are best kept as far away as possible from civilian aircraft.
With regard to LMD's statement. . [quote]maybe your country's military aircraft have a hard time controlling themselves but these guys know what they are doing <hr></blockquote>. .I respect your military, but lets face it you don't have exactly a perfect record with hitting the right targets, as the "friendly fire" incident in the Gulf War proved, when US A-10 pilots killed 9 and wounded 11 British soldiers. Yes it was a war ,yes mistakes happen, but no military pilots are not infalliable. Armed jets are best kept as far away as possible from civilian aircraft.
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What is it that happens to people when they board a commercial flight as a passenger? They seem to leave their brains behind and decide that they can do what ever the hell they like just because they have paid for a ticket. Do people have no common decency any more? These two apparently . .upset fellow passengers but repeatedly continued to do as they wished. Fine in the privacy of their own homes but, for heaven's sake, spare the rest of us from sharing the experience. Sorry, I have no sympathy at all for twats like that.
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My immediate response to LMDs reply could easily have been "tell that to the Chesire Reg't", but someone has already made the point, and I am not here to get into a scrap. If you want a reasoned argument regarding the military response look up a thread in Mil Aircrew entitled "1st Kabul Int'l airshow" and you will see that America has universal moral support, even if it doesn't have universal political support for its military actions, even from posters on this site.
The reasoned response to the incident in question would have been to let Immigration and the police deal with it, not to send up 2 F16s. What possible good could they have done?
The reasoned response to the incident in question would have been to let Immigration and the police deal with it, not to send up 2 F16s. What possible good could they have done?
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No Good! We all know why the Foxtrot one sixes were there...and if the wrong response was "squawked"..well then I'm afraid it would be "Splash one"...I shudder to think..
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Oh for Bill Clinton to still be President. I believe he would have handled the situation in an entirely more prudent manner.
IMHO George Dubbya will only inflame world terrorism, rather than quell it, as he plays to the fanatical beliefs of many anti Americans.
IMHO George Dubbya will only inflame world terrorism, rather than quell it, as he plays to the fanatical beliefs of many anti Americans.