News of rumoured extreme low pressure. 940mb.
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Turned up for my four leg day in the windy West to be told by ATC that the airport was closed due to 'ramp danger'. Apparently caused by a person in a position of 'authority' deciding that it was too windy to move steps, baggage trolleys etc. (wind from ATC given as 190/45-65 so fair enough) Phone rang to be told by security 'comb' that it is too windy to let the rest of my crew on the ramp to get to our crew room! They might get blown away, in spite of the fact that they managed to make it from the car park without being blown away. Is the ramp windier than the surrounding area I wonder?
Sat nursing a cup of tea for 20 mins when I noticed outside was absolute calm. Stood outside the door and the wind was around 5 kts. After some persuasion, my crew were let out and we went flying.
Wind at Take off, 250/19-24 on rwy 27.
Four hours later it was down the runway at 30-35.
By the end of the shift at 1630, it was 270/14
Like I said earlier, much ado about nothing really!
Sat nursing a cup of tea for 20 mins when I noticed outside was absolute calm. Stood outside the door and the wind was around 5 kts. After some persuasion, my crew were let out and we went flying.
Wind at Take off, 250/19-24 on rwy 27.
Four hours later it was down the runway at 30-35.
By the end of the shift at 1630, it was 270/14
Like I said earlier, much ado about nothing really!
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Handling the 747-400 on take off from 27R @ LHR between 1200 and 1400 hrs (don't want to be too specific
) was quite 'interesting'. The 747 has a wet x-wind limit of 25kts, and we had to wait a short while for the 37kt gusts at the stop end to subside
to accept take off clearance.
In the end it was reported as 180/24 ish but the take off roll was 'lively' with lots of variable rudder input required and holding 5 units of aileron into wind always feels strange (about 40 degrees control wheel deflection).
The 747 is great in crosswinds when landing but more of a challenge than smaller aircraft on take off due to the degree of sweep on the wing and its propensity to lift the upwind wing and the enormous surface area of the tail.
We also of course, don't get as much practice as our shorthaul cousins
) was quite 'interesting'. The 747 has a wet x-wind limit of 25kts, and we had to wait a short while for the 37kt gusts at the stop end to subside to accept take off clearance.In the end it was reported as 180/24 ish but the take off roll was 'lively' with lots of variable rudder input required and holding 5 units of aileron into wind always feels strange (about 40 degrees control wheel deflection).
The 747 is great in crosswinds when landing but more of a challenge than smaller aircraft on take off due to the degree of sweep on the wing and its propensity to lift the upwind wing and the enormous surface area of the tail.
We also of course, don't get as much practice as our shorthaul cousins
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Sorry for the simple SLF questions & possible thread drift, but would the windspeed at AMS last night be sufficient to reduce a/c groundspeed by a noticable margin?
Also kudos to the crew of BA2027 (LGW-IAH) who sat and waited for a heavy shower/ thunderstorm to pass over us before we took off... whilst a steady stream of orange Airbusses took off into the gloom and a B757 kept going around...
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Forecast changed for EGCC...
EGCC 111045Z 111818 25025G40KT 9999 SCT020 PROB40 TEMPO 1824
6000 SHRA BKN014CB BECMG 0003 25035G50KT 6000 -RADZ PROB40 TEMPO
0310 27038G65KT 4000 RADZ BKN012 PR0B30 TEMPO 0409 2400 RASN
PROB40 TEMPO 1018 6000 SHRA BKN018CB BECMG 1417 27022G34KT=
Thats some serious gusts !!!, wonder if we will get the BBC filming aircraft on approach ???? prob not....its outside London so not major news.
EGCC 111045Z 111818 25025G40KT 9999 SCT020 PROB40 TEMPO 1824
6000 SHRA BKN014CB BECMG 0003 25035G50KT 6000 -RADZ PROB40 TEMPO
0310 27038G65KT 4000 RADZ BKN012 PR0B30 TEMPO 0409 2400 RASN
PROB40 TEMPO 1018 6000 SHRA BKN018CB BECMG 1417 27022G34KT=
Thats some serious gusts !!!, wonder if we will get the BBC filming aircraft on approach ???? prob not....its outside London so not major news.
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BBc South news last night, film of a swaying street lamp, a reporter having difficulty being heard talking into a squall, and a woman in tears that her uninsured caravan on the south coast had flooded at spring tide with windy conditions....
Blimey, storm of the millenium or what!
Blimey, storm of the millenium or what!
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Also kudos to the crew of BA2027 (LGW-IAH) who sat and waited for a heavy shower/ thunderstorm to pass over us before we took off... whilst a steady stream of orange Airbusses took off into the gloom and a B757 kept going around
The BA2027 waited initially due to lesser x-wind limits. When the cell came overhead the wind changed sufficiently for it to go.
However ALL a/c at this time elected to sit and wait for the weather to improve.
The orange busses started departing before the BA because they were nearer the holding point with other a/c scattered everywhere!
However if the BA had been at the front of the queue it would have gone first as it had accepted the weather conditions too.
PKPF68-77 - well said!
These people need to get a sense of perspective on life.
The trouble is that the weather has become "entertainment" - look at the trend to have "actors" presenting the weather who seem to have been trained also to be politically correct - bring back Bert Ford all is forgiven!
Its all part of dumbing down - when's the last time you saw a synoptic chart on the BBC?
These people need to get a sense of perspective on life.
The trouble is that the weather has become "entertainment" - look at the trend to have "actors" presenting the weather who seem to have been trained also to be politically correct - bring back Bert Ford all is forgiven!
Its all part of dumbing down - when's the last time you saw a synoptic chart on the BBC?
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The 'Daddy of All' wasted TV time was a one minute shot, and discussion, of - wait for it ------------ a garden trampoline which had been blown into a hedge. 
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Don't you think the "global warming" guys are suspiciously
not heard of at these times, for a good reason? I wonder
if any "global warming" guy ever flew an airplane? But
that's JMMW.
not heard of at these times, for a good reason? I wonder
if any "global warming" guy ever flew an airplane? But
that's JMMW.
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Looks like we ooppp norf are going to get a battering again tonight, I await to hear news of the PM in crisis planning talks with Manchester council and hordes of Beeb reporters decending on us to watch the projected chaos oh hang on a minute thats north of Watford so it dosnt matter does it.
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a garden trampoline which had been blown into a hedge
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Can one of you clever bods tell me what the ICAO wind is. They were giving the ICAO and the Instantaneous Wind. One being self explanatory. I was a bit busy to ask at the time. Went around (EGKK) first time and straight back for another approach which we got in!
There was an American who said on the RT that he didn't want to end up on You tube so I think he diverted to AMS!
I was on a double and got hit by both fronts. The morning one was by far the worst.
Good luck for those heading for the north tomorrow
Can one of you clever bods tell me what the ICAO wind is. They were giving the ICAO and the Instantaneous Wind. One being self explanatory. I was a bit busy to ask at the time. Went around (EGKK) first time and straight back for another approach which we got in!
There was an American who said on the RT that he didn't want to end up on You tube so I think he diverted to AMS!
I was on a double and got hit by both fronts. The morning one was by far the worst.
Good luck for those heading for the north tomorrow
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...talking of recent strong winds, have these rather cheeky (understatement) conditions at Hamburg for a landing Lufthansa been mentioned yet?
Video of hairy approach at Hamburg
Video of hairy approach at Hamburg
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@suggs:
I am not sure, but I believe the ICAO wind is the average wind of the last hour...or twenty minutes...something like that, so in a storm you might get cheated a bit, if winds suddenly pick up or slow down. Good job from the tower to provide the actual, the guy or gal obviously understood something about flying...
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I am not sure, but I believe the ICAO wind is the average wind of the last hour...or twenty minutes...something like that, so in a storm you might get cheated a bit, if winds suddenly pick up or slow down. Good job from the tower to provide the actual, the guy or gal obviously understood something about flying...
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Taken from another thread on this forum
Hope this helps
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Taken from another thread on this forum
The normal, ICAO-standard wind that you will be passed by ATC at an airport is a rolling average over the previous 2 minutes (as a point of interest for anyone not familiar with this stuff, the value that you see on a METAR is averaged over the 10 minutes prior to the time of observation). Most airports are fitted with equipment that will give an 'instantaneous' w/v value - it's actually still an averaged value but, if I recall correctly, over 5 seconds.
Some pilots prefer the instantaneous value in challenging conditions and it is always available on request. The correct phraseology (in the UK) when an instantaneous wind is passed is 'Runway XX cleared to land instant surface wind XXX degrees XX knots'.
Some pilots prefer the instantaneous value in challenging conditions and it is always available on request. The correct phraseology (in the UK) when an instantaneous wind is passed is 'Runway XX cleared to land instant surface wind XXX degrees XX knots'.
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The BBC News footage from a helicopter of a rather good 146 landing at LCY had me falling of my chair when the reporter commented that the "pilot struggled with the controls" and "then made a safe landing"....
How the hell does the Beeb allow stuff like that to get broadcast?
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How the hell does the Beeb allow stuff like that to get broadcast?
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Erm, ITN had him "navigating onto the runway"......there again, that's ITN for you....shame the "new and improved" News at Ten isn't.... I had hopes the programme would restore itself to the past quality standards it was capable of.....alas, we get the above.
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EMA looks rough tomorrow too. Similar forecasts for BHX/MAN/LBA/LPL
EGNX 111637Z 120024 25024G38KT 9999 SCT020 TEMPO 0315 27035G50KT PROB40 TEMPO 0511 28040G65KT 6000 RA BKN012 PROB40 TEMPO 1020 6000 SHRA BKN018CB
EGNX 111637Z 120024 25024G38KT 9999 SCT020 TEMPO 0315 27035G50KT PROB40 TEMPO 0511 28040G65KT 6000 RA BKN012 PROB40 TEMPO 1020 6000 SHRA BKN018CB