Pilots agree Delta/North West merger
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Uh, you might want to get an update on that story from a couple of days ago...
It's not a done deal yet from what I hear.
http://www.reuters.com/article/bonds...00894220080220
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h...aczpwD8UU4P3G0
It's not a done deal yet from what I hear.
Northwest, Delta pilots still haggling over deal
Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:35am EST
CHICAGO, Feb 20 (Reuters) - Leaders of the union representing pilots at Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and Northwest Airlines Corp (NWA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) have yet to reach a deal on the integration of seniority lists if the two airlines were to merge, a spokesman for Northwest's pilots union said on Wednesday.
Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:35am EST
CHICAGO, Feb 20 (Reuters) - Leaders of the union representing pilots at Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and Northwest Airlines Corp (NWA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) have yet to reach a deal on the integration of seniority lists if the two airlines were to merge, a spokesman for Northwest's pilots union said on Wednesday.
Officials: Delta-Northwest Deal at Risk
By HARRY R. WEBER – 1 hour ago
ATLANTA (AP) — An impasse among pilot negotiators over determining seniority put a $20 billion deal to combine Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp. in "serious jeopardy" as the companies' boards prepared to meet Wednesday, two people close to the talks told The Associated Press.
By HARRY R. WEBER – 1 hour ago
ATLANTA (AP) — An impasse among pilot negotiators over determining seniority put a $20 billion deal to combine Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp. in "serious jeopardy" as the companies' boards prepared to meet Wednesday, two people close to the talks told The Associated Press.
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NWA-Delta pilot clash blocking merger
By LIZ FEDOR, Star Tribune
Last update: February 20, 2008 - 3:27 PM
February 20, 2008
Northwest Airlines pilots risk losing pay raises of more than 30 percent included in a tentative labor agreement, because Northwest and Delta Air Lines pilot negotiators are at a virtual standstill over integrating their seniority lists, a person close to the negotiations told the Star Tribune.
The standoff between the pilot groups is blocking the announcement of a Northwest-Delta merger.
"Now the deal is at risk," the news source with knowledge of the talks said. "It is at risk by a handful, just a couple of renegade Northwest Airlines pilots who are insisting on stapling thousands of Delta pilots at the bottom of the seniority list.
"The tragedy of this is that two or three of these cowboys are going to deny 12,000 pilots and their families and tens of thousands of other Northwest employees and Delta employees the choice to improve their economic future," the source added...
By LIZ FEDOR, Star Tribune
Last update: February 20, 2008 - 3:27 PM
February 20, 2008
Northwest Airlines pilots risk losing pay raises of more than 30 percent included in a tentative labor agreement, because Northwest and Delta Air Lines pilot negotiators are at a virtual standstill over integrating their seniority lists, a person close to the negotiations told the Star Tribune.
The standoff between the pilot groups is blocking the announcement of a Northwest-Delta merger.
"Now the deal is at risk," the news source with knowledge of the talks said. "It is at risk by a handful, just a couple of renegade Northwest Airlines pilots who are insisting on stapling thousands of Delta pilots at the bottom of the seniority list.
"The tragedy of this is that two or three of these cowboys are going to deny 12,000 pilots and their families and tens of thousands of other Northwest employees and Delta employees the choice to improve their economic future," the source added...
Delta traditionally has been pretty generous in handing out seniority to acquired pilots, e.g. the Pan Am folks were merged onto the list at an 11 to 1 ratio. I'm not sure their generosity will take a staple job for the bottom RD's though.
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A couple of years ago, there was a rather heavy rate of retirement amongst senior DL captains who frankly, and correctly, feared that a possible bankruptcy on the part of DL would jeopardize their pensions. So many of them retired early and took their pensions in a lump sum.
NW air crews may have a slant towards greater seniority as a group than DL's cadre of pilots. This may be part of the holdup.
NW air crews may have a slant towards greater seniority as a group than DL's cadre of pilots. This may be part of the holdup.
Huck-Excellent.
Compared to some of them, the CEO (slime bag
) looks like a decent guy. Let's not mention the former MEC's "Stockholm (hostage) Syndrome" in preparation to petitioning Congress, together, for giving airlines relief with pension obligations. Both opposites ( CEO and former MEC Chairman: the 'Big Game Hunter' in Montana) in the same photograph before boarding the plane to DCA-revolting and totally disgusting
Do not bet on this merger happening anytime soon, unless they are to walk over a chunk of the Delta pilot group.
Compared to some of them, the CEO (slime bag
) looks like a decent guy. Let's not mention the former MEC's "Stockholm (hostage) Syndrome" in preparation to petitioning Congress, together, for giving airlines relief with pension obligations. Both opposites ( CEO and former MEC Chairman: the 'Big Game Hunter' in Montana) in the same photograph before boarding the plane to DCA-revolting and totally disgustingDo not bet on this merger happening anytime soon, unless they are to walk over a chunk of the Delta pilot group.
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Bravely Spoken
Enjoyed reading your posts over the years but this one is so filled with negativity, resentment, judgmentalism and bitterness it is hard for me to conceive of anyone on the "red" side being any more arrogant & ingnorant than you know who. Companies who put people first you say you want, and at the same time refer to a large percentage of people/employees as arrogant, ignorant snivelers? People run companies, no? Profanity? Scumbags you call other employees, mostly mangement. All this brought into your life just because of a 'red" side; not all of course.......... And you call others arrogant and ignorant? I can imagine the conversations you have while at work. It is attitudes like yours that will kill any airline, much less a merger, no matter the good that could come of such a union for many; apparantly other than for you personally, the other pilots and other employees who run on fear of what they may lose. If Northwest does not merge with someone it is my bet NWA goes under. Oh well, those "red ninjas" will suffer same fate as the "green", no? The "snivelers and whiners" will be equals finally. Since you came from an airline that was a conglomeration of 4or 5 separate mergers one would think your fear of losing something would have lessened. You continued to progress did you not? Earned more money, flew bigger equipment, yes? Are you worse off with Northwest now than when you joined with Republic? Flying a bigger aircraft now than your side brought to the party? (DC-9's & 727's) What is your problem with a merger with Delta, other than being angry at the "red" side of NWA and hating your management? Maybe give Emirates a try, I know one is treated well there, in a different way than in the Twin Cities. No "red' side there either. Amazing. NWA is going down faster than I realized after seeing the viciousness expressed in your post much of which will have to be ameliorated to affect a merger. But I hope it takes place, for all concerned, for otherwise this kind of attitude will kill NWA and is, in fact, killing many of America's airlines at the present moment in time. Nobody is perfect, including every CEO and CFO of every company. Take a moment to try to mentally walk in their shoes and see what you would do with the airline working under the conditions that exist today. If you can run it better, do it.
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I rode a hotel shuttle last week with a NW crew. When asked about what the new airline would be called, one dryly remarked, "They're gonna use the first word from their name, and the second word from our name- [pause] 'Delta' 'Airlines'."
Har har!
Har har!
Mike: This might not be any consolation, but I don't blame you one bit to reacting to such careless shotgun language which I posted.
It was misdirected due to recent events, about which so many of us admittedly understand very little.
It was wrong of me to take my bitterness from the recent TA (voted no), and blame it on a long-ago merger process which just might fairly soon provide us all with a modest pay increase. Some things I heard recently linked issues whereby stapling a whole bunch of Delta guys to the bottom and other complex issues could endanger the merger. This created my bitterness. I did not give a hoot, personally or otherwise, what happened in the 80s and 90s.
I was as frustrated as the downtrodden FOs with whom we fly with that the crappy TA (I wanted former MEC Chair M. and the guys to fight longer, and with a unified pilot group) had no real cost of living increases. The previous merger did not bother me on a personal level, or otherwise, only wanting to fly narrow-bodies. This so-called TA could end up being about %50 pay cut with a little inflation and medical deductibles etc.
If our former MEC had tried to create some real unity the way it apparently happened at 'Big D', my previous post would never have begun.
If we can somehow achieve an ultra-complex deal and do measurably better ($) under a joint TA, then I'll gladly wear a t-short that says: @$$h0l% #1.
You're next at bat...
It was misdirected due to recent events, about which so many of us admittedly understand very little.
It was wrong of me to take my bitterness from the recent TA (voted no), and blame it on a long-ago merger process which just might fairly soon provide us all with a modest pay increase. Some things I heard recently linked issues whereby stapling a whole bunch of Delta guys to the bottom and other complex issues could endanger the merger. This created my bitterness. I did not give a hoot, personally or otherwise, what happened in the 80s and 90s.
I was as frustrated as the downtrodden FOs with whom we fly with that the crappy TA (I wanted former MEC Chair M. and the guys to fight longer, and with a unified pilot group) had no real cost of living increases. The previous merger did not bother me on a personal level, or otherwise, only wanting to fly narrow-bodies. This so-called TA could end up being about %50 pay cut with a little inflation and medical deductibles etc.
If our former MEC had tried to create some real unity the way it apparently happened at 'Big D', my previous post would never have begun.
If we can somehow achieve an ultra-complex deal and do measurably better ($) under a joint TA, then I'll gladly wear a t-short that says: @$$h0l% #1.
You're next at bat...
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Once again, if you all can't get along together and play nice then someone will be losing their job....Ask the PAA, EAL, TWA, etc pilots if it's better to lose some senoirity and keep flying, or going off into foreclosure/repo land?
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Same Same, but Different
Greetings I/Override, I have no axe to grind with you or anyone. It just doesn't connect for me the attitude you expressed in your original posting doing any good, or ever having done any good for anyone involved in the process of not getting what they want. I understand your feelings because I too spent 35 years of my life there and listened to years worth of pilots, and others, berating their company, their union, you name anything and someone will have a problem with it.
What I do find surprising is your response which was generous, which I am very grateful for, and wish all of you, be you green, red or blue a successful end to you careers with NWA, however that may occur. If the merger actually makes it through the process think of the future opportunites to rant with fresh ears listening.
What I do find surprising is your response which was generous, which I am very grateful for, and wish all of you, be you green, red or blue a successful end to you careers with NWA, however that may occur. If the merger actually makes it through the process think of the future opportunites to rant with fresh ears listening.
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Some breaking news from Bloomberg (or, here we go again?):
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...108&refer=news
Delta Accord Paves Way for Northwest Deal, People Say (Update2)
By Mary Jane Credeur and Mary Schlangenstein
April 10 (Bloomberg) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. and its pilots agreed on a tentative contract to clear the way for a merger with Northwest Airlines Corp. that would create the world's largest carrier, people familiar with the talks said.
The accord would raise pilots' pay and give them an equity stake in the combined airline, which would keep Delta's name and Atlanta headquarters, said the people, who didn't want to be identified because the plan is still private.
The proposed merger with Northwest may be announced next week, the people said...
...The airlines had been prepared to announce a combination in mid-February, people familiar with the talks have said. Those plans were postponed because the carriers' pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, weren't able to agree on a way to protect members' seniority rankings after a merger.
To work around the impasse, Delta is drawing up a new contract with just its 7,000 pilots, said the people. Northwest's 5,000 pilots would be asked to join under a single contract later.
By Mary Jane Credeur and Mary Schlangenstein
April 10 (Bloomberg) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. and its pilots agreed on a tentative contract to clear the way for a merger with Northwest Airlines Corp. that would create the world's largest carrier, people familiar with the talks said.
The accord would raise pilots' pay and give them an equity stake in the combined airline, which would keep Delta's name and Atlanta headquarters, said the people, who didn't want to be identified because the plan is still private.
The proposed merger with Northwest may be announced next week, the people said...
...The airlines had been prepared to announce a combination in mid-February, people familiar with the talks have said. Those plans were postponed because the carriers' pilots, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, weren't able to agree on a way to protect members' seniority rankings after a merger.
To work around the impasse, Delta is drawing up a new contract with just its 7,000 pilots, said the people. Northwest's 5,000 pilots would be asked to join under a single contract later.
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From the Wall Street Journal:
PAGE ONE
Delta Aims to Unveil
Northwest Merger Pact
By SUSAN CAREY and PAULO PRADA
April 14, 2008
Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp. may unveil their long-delayed merger announcement as early as Tuesday, said people familiar with the matter, in the latest move by airlines to grapple with high fuel prices and a softening economy...
Looks like Delta gave the RD's a leg up in the TA with seniority guarantees, equity and some other sweeteners. The NWA pilots will be added (or stapled) to the list after the deal.
PAGE ONE
Delta Aims to Unveil
Northwest Merger Pact
By SUSAN CAREY and PAULO PRADA
April 14, 2008
Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp. may unveil their long-delayed merger announcement as early as Tuesday, said people familiar with the matter, in the latest move by airlines to grapple with high fuel prices and a softening economy...
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From CNN.com:
Delta, Northwest approve merger
The directors of Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines approved Monday a deal for the two companies to merge and create the world's largest airline, according a statement from Delta.
Full story soon.
The directors of Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines approved Monday a deal for the two companies to merge and create the world's largest airline, according a statement from Delta.
Full story soon.
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