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Old 12th Feb 2008, 09:28
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wobble2plank, I'm sure it can be done!
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 10:07
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I sincerely hope that any self-respecting crew would have entered 'heavy landing' in the tech log and the aircraft grounded pending an engineering inspection. Given my (limited) experience of the Swiss, I somehow doubt it.
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Dead right. They were the hardest bunch of know it alls I've ever had to train. 'In Swiss we did it this way, in Swiss we did it that way!' Response was normally, 'Sure but you flew for Crossair didnt you?'
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I flew the 146 for 9 years. It was an incredibly easy aircraft to land and I can honestly count on one hand the landings that didn't please me, but nothing remotely as awful that one. Crosswinds were fun and that guy just didn't point it straight when he flared. (* but see comment below)

Mind you I was never checked to operate LCY as our airline didn't start using the airfield until I was about 58 years old. I declined the offer to get checked as I simply could not face those taxi journeys up and down the M11.

*Although I never flew into LCY, I do believe the philosophy was to make a minimum flare to avoid "floating" down the runway. But that pilot did seem to take the advice to extremes!

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As a former 146 pilot myself, I can only marvel at the magnificent design of such a machine - British engineering at its finest!
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 11:25
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When you check the slowmotion version, you can see that the body is touching the runway. is this the ac that was grounded due to heavy tailstrike?
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 11:33
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Thats one hell of a tough undercarriage!
The Czechs build a pretty tough plane as well.... 6 bounces!
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 11:37
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Who the hell was flying that.......a 5 hour PPL Student.....can't be anyone with a CPL surely???

Donkey needs sacking!!!!!
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 11:39
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Swiss Avro Greaser, NOT!!

As a 146/RJ training captain in my past life, that sure beats all the ones I saw. And, there were a few interesting ones!! Who the hell taught that guy "crosswind" landings (Crossair??)

If ever there was a need for a go round for another go this is it. The control movements are very interesting and the spoilers come out very late in the episode.

But then the Swiss are know for their attitudes as are certain other EU folks!!

De Havilland designed a wonderful rugged airplane, and Avro stole it in order to stop it when it was finally, belatedly, getting sorted out?? A most enjoyable airplane that I had a lot of fun teaching people in.

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Old 12th Feb 2008, 12:42
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It sure is a tribute to that landing gear!

Here is another 146 taking a bashing.
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 13:11
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Crew must either be very tyro or former navy pilots.
Sure, they flew for the Swiss Navy...

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Old 12th Feb 2008, 14:05
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The old story was of the new guy at the EEC meeting...

""I am the Swiss Minister of the Navy""

Loud laughter...

"Why not? The Italians have a Finance Minister"

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Old 12th Feb 2008, 14:15
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Thread creep I know, but I wonder if the BA038 accident and the Swiss LCY debacle is will encourage airports to automatically film all arrivals on CCTV?
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"Sonny, did we land, or were we shot down?"
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 15:03
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Devil AVRO tank....

Clearly the 146 is tough but is it normal to come into City airport with the airbrakes deployed or was that just part of the "I'm gonner get this down whatever" style of landing? I'm only a PPL but I haven't seen worse anywhere.
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 15:30
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Speedbrake is deployed at 1000' into LCY.

It's a little difficult (though not impossible) to fly a 5.5 degree approach without it.

Even on a normal approach, they are deployed prior to landing.
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 16:23
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Did anyone fix the dents in the runway?
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 16:24
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A selection, but not just 146s...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RdxU-0W-RE
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Old 12th Feb 2008, 16:55
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Tandemrotor, We open the airbrake on G/S intercept but I guess some SOP's may be different.

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Old 12th Feb 2008, 17:00
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Used to work at Hatfield, late 80s, early 90s.

In answer to some earlier posts, part of the design concept for the 146 was STOL ops from rough/grass strips with high/dry capability as wel.

The marketing people wanted to spread the net wide and snag some of the smaller less "mainstream" operators.

We were all very fond of her at Hatfield.....but then, you would be!
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