mega payrise for GB???
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mega payrise for GB???
once again we have been sold out by our company council. GB have announced the massive pay rise of 4%! we are all flying flat out carrying full loads (except for Nantes)but the cc accept this sort of rise. We have also been told that now that all the cc and most of the trainers (out of seniority) have gone onto the Airbus the rest of us will not be going to Toulouse when we convert to the Airbus but doing it at Heathrow. The latest rumour is that not only has the company PHI scheme has fallen over yet again, but that they are also not going to pay out the Loss of Licence to a pilot who has lost his licence on medical grounds. A recent letter has talked of lots of new commands coming up later this year, but who can trust or believe anything the company say? Take note anyone who might be thinking of joining GB. Though anyone wanting to get a 737/A320 rating and experience there should be plenty of vacancies coming up!
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Just to play devil's advocate, and to quote one of our colleagues (and make me chuckle!) - 'The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, but this is probably because the guy on the other side of the fence is putting more s**t on the it!'
Good Luck...
Good Luck...
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Perhaps instead of moaning you would be better standing for the cc and giving lots of you own free time for no reward. The cc are only as good as the support it gets and in GB with so many private deals "will fly over the agreed hours" etc etc what do you expect. The cc have abided by the agreement from last year the question is will the company do the same in future years if the increase is much higher?
I don't think th cc have any input if the management decide it is cheaper to carry out Airbus training inhouse rather than in Toulouse.
The problems with the PHI and LOL are worrying but I understand the cc has tokd the company from the start that the PHI was not suitable for pilots, this may be of help should the matter end up in yet another court case for GB (do GB hold any records regarding the number of lost court cases against them?), fortunately the pilot involved is a member of BALPA as his total legal fees for his claims against GB, are likely to exceed alternative legal insurance cover limits.
Maybe if the pilots within GB were not so ready to extend their duties, work on days off, do extra flying hours, etc then the cc might have more leverage.
There are a couple of other sayings that spring to mind
god helps those who help themselves
and
if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
alternatively
put up or shut up
I don't think th cc have any input if the management decide it is cheaper to carry out Airbus training inhouse rather than in Toulouse.
The problems with the PHI and LOL are worrying but I understand the cc has tokd the company from the start that the PHI was not suitable for pilots, this may be of help should the matter end up in yet another court case for GB (do GB hold any records regarding the number of lost court cases against them?), fortunately the pilot involved is a member of BALPA as his total legal fees for his claims against GB, are likely to exceed alternative legal insurance cover limits.
Maybe if the pilots within GB were not so ready to extend their duties, work on days off, do extra flying hours, etc then the cc might have more leverage.
There are a couple of other sayings that spring to mind
god helps those who help themselves
and
if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
alternatively
put up or shut up
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I am absolutely appauled by this years' pay award... yet again the CC sought the opinions of its members on the offer (phuhh)! Instead, they thought it was good enough for them, so took it, and sod the rest of us. If the CC want protest, then everyone leave BALPA... maybe then we will get some motivation from those who CAN make a difference if only they try.
Anyhow, what happened to Easyjet and Ryanair from the tracker deal?? I thought that these were who the company always compared us against, or is it just convenience again as Ryanair had such a boost this year??
Life sucks at GB... nice to see people are talking with their feet... another reinactment of a few years ago.
It's amazing how much you can cost a company in the meantime though with fuel wasteage etc.
See you on the line!!
Anyhow, what happened to Easyjet and Ryanair from the tracker deal?? I thought that these were who the company always compared us against, or is it just convenience again as Ryanair had such a boost this year??
Life sucks at GB... nice to see people are talking with their feet... another reinactment of a few years ago.
It's amazing how much you can cost a company in the meantime though with fuel wasteage etc.
See you on the line!!
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In case you didn't know the cc get the same pay as the rest of the pilots, so the increase is just as low for them as everyone else, however what the cc do get is a lot of extra unpaid work in their own time.
What a great idea everyone leave BALPA then the company can do what they like without any fear of legal action.
As for the tracker, get someone to read the tracker deal to you, Ryanair and Easy are not in the list of companies as at the time their salaries were so low that they would have reduced the pay deal last year. perhaps the list needs to be changed so if you would like to say which low salaried companies that might get a big pay rise next year (to bring them in line with others in the industry) you would like to be tracked against just tell your cc.
Do you really think the company would notice how much fuel you waste and associate it with a low pay rise?
The big outcry against the pay rise has no doubt been as underwhelming as the company expected. GB knows that most of its pilots will moan to each other or on pprune and then will do what ever the company asks, extending duties, flying overtime, notes on ops/crewing rosters "on leave - will fly if needed", "will fly over agreed hours" etc etc. Not exactly good ammunition for the cc to fight with is it???
What a great idea everyone leave BALPA then the company can do what they like without any fear of legal action.
As for the tracker, get someone to read the tracker deal to you, Ryanair and Easy are not in the list of companies as at the time their salaries were so low that they would have reduced the pay deal last year. perhaps the list needs to be changed so if you would like to say which low salaried companies that might get a big pay rise next year (to bring them in line with others in the industry) you would like to be tracked against just tell your cc.
Do you really think the company would notice how much fuel you waste and associate it with a low pay rise?
The big outcry against the pay rise has no doubt been as underwhelming as the company expected. GB knows that most of its pilots will moan to each other or on pprune and then will do what ever the company asks, extending duties, flying overtime, notes on ops/crewing rosters "on leave - will fly if needed", "will fly over agreed hours" etc etc. Not exactly good ammunition for the cc to fight with is it???
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I guess if they are quick enough some of the Virgin Express Ir guys might be desperate enough, but later this year? at their recent attempt asking various agencies for type rated F/Os they were offered a massive 1!!!
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I don't know what the interest is in BA staff numbers but the staff numbers are GB staff numbers and are in different forms. Some of the pilots and cabin crew who joined early on are quite different to others.
There is no option to transfer across to BA, otherwise there would not be anyone left!!
There is no option to transfer across to BA, otherwise there would not be anyone left!!
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Well it is obvious that the so called tracker scheme is NOT working... from what I hear the tracker rates are those as at 1st April, and as a few of the tracker airlines have not finalised their pay negotiations, the base salary is LAST years 1st year Capt's scale. No doubt in my mind that the company won't be upping the pay award when the other airlines set their pay for the year.
Personally, BALPA should have put it to ballot.
LC... "what the cc do get is a lot of extra unpaid work in their own time"... maybe they should give up then, as their time is obviously wasted, together with our subscriptions!
Personally, BALPA should have put it to ballot.
LC... "what the cc do get is a lot of extra unpaid work in their own time"... maybe they should give up then, as their time is obviously wasted, together with our subscriptions!
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Once again the lies of old Slippery Bill burst forth.
Virgin Atlantic A320 pilots have just been given a 15% pay rise. Their company put in 14% into the pension fund and a year one Captain's salary starts at £64,000!
So take that! Anyone that believes a word Slippery Bill says needs their heads read.
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Virgin Atlantic A320 pilots have just been given a 15% pay rise. Their company put in 14% into the pension fund and a year one Captain's salary starts at £64,000!
So take that! Anyone that believes a word Slippery Bill says needs their heads read.
[This message has been edited by roger the ramjet (edited 06 April 2001).]
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Rumours everywhere - "from what I hear..." if you actualy work for GB as a pilot, then you would have received all the details of the tracker and would be able to read them yourself. Yes it is last years salaries as that is all that is known until much later in the year but then the cost of living is added. As for your other comments without the CC there would have been no Bonus scheme in the past leading on to the tracker, little other benefits, lots more disciplinaries etc. try actualy reading the new SLD especially the section on the 2 hour block window regarding roster changes, all negotiated by the cc. The cc have also not yet stopped talking about the pay for this year! (the extra 2 days off will not have any effect on next years tracker increase).
With elections coming up you will be able to put your money where your mouth is and stand for election, unless you just want to continue sitting on it.
With elections coming up you will be able to put your money where your mouth is and stand for election, unless you just want to continue sitting on it.
