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BA B777 Incident @ Heathrow (merged)

Old 17th Jan 2008, 11:58
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BA B777 Incident @ Heathrow (merged)

we're receiving tipoffs of something going on at LHR. anybody know anything?
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 12:04
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Looks like a BA 777 blocking the southern runway - rumours here of a collapsed undercarriage
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 12:05
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BA777........Came in with a very high A of A, hit the deck hard and allpax evacuated (Slides) Looks like a main UC collapse.
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 12:07
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BA Boeing 777 emergency landing on southerly runway close to Hatton Cross end of runway, literally at the end of the runway so a good work bythe pilots to reach the tarmac. Plane intact, all chutes out, rear under-carriage collapsed, no fire visible, passengers off judging by coaches alongside and emergency services in attendence.
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 12:08
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OOPs, I pity the Crew, lots of interviews. Hope they are a member of a union & getting good advise.
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 12:09
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reports plane inbound from shanghai landed short of runway -- aviation sources quoted by the Press Association
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 12:28
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BA Crash heathrow today

BA 777 landed short at Heathrow.

Surrounded by Fireengines. Wing ripped off!

A/C departed China.

PM due to fly out to China at Heathrow now.

All flights in and out suspended!!!!!!!!!!!

BBC news live now!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 12:30
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Ok It landed right at the start of the runway but I think that was the plan all along??????
It touched down on the grass, short of the runway and stopped on the piano keys. That was not the plan.

When all the info is out I bet it will turn out to be a non event
A crash is not a non event.

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Old 17th Jan 2008, 12:33
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From the BBC:
Six engines were at the scene of the incident.
Lets hope the missing word is "fire" (although they prefer to call them fire appliances these days!) - otherwise this is one very special 777!!!
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 12:33
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British Airways in Crash Landing - BBC

BA777 written off in incident at Heathrow today.

Inbound from China. Bejing

Wings ripped off fuselage.

Not known how many injuries. At least 3 confirmed.

No gear down.

LHR SROP's

Slides deployed.

BA038.

1242hrs - Emergency landing. Landed short.

PM Gordon Brown delayed outbound to China.
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 12:39
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Just been watching the pictures on BBC News 24. The B777 touched down immediately in front of the LOC antenna, in the grass, before the threshold of Rwy 27L. The a/c then slid several hundred meters before coming to a stop on the threshold of Rwy 27L, skewed approx 45 deg to the right of the centreline.

The main undercarriage have detached and the nosegear appears to have partially compressed into the airframe. The main gear structures have punctured up through the wings. The engines are damaged but I was unable to make out whether they had been rotating at the time they started to pick up mud and debris. Flaps appear to be deployed but unable to tell if full flap.

There are two very deep furrows where the a/c touched down in the mud and then long furrows to where the a/c came to a stop. From the aerial shots on the BBC following the furrows, there are remnants of the main gear including at least one leg and bogie still attached. Frangible approach lights have been taken out from LOC antenna to threshold 27L.

This is not a little incident. This was literally a crash landing and thankfully there are no fatalities. It will be interesting to find out why this B777 landed so short and so heavily from the runway.

Anyone know if an emergency was declared before the landing?

Further to the post above this one, the wings were not torn off the a/c and the a/c most definitely touched down with the landing gear deployed in the down position. Almost certainly helped to dissipate a lot of the initial energy when they detached.

Also, usual "this is not terror related" hype. I wonder why they don't mention that it was also not "elephant" related! Whatever!

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Old 17th Jan 2008, 12:53
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BAA's website saying, "we can confirm that a British Airways flight made an emergency landing today". Does this mean an actual emergency was declared?

Somebody mentioned a high AoA, flap problems?
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 12:58
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Eyewitness reports suggest the aircraft was significantly displaced from the centreline at a late stage of the approach, and that some fairly aggressive manoevring was employed to get back on the centreline. It appears to have had a very high AoA at the time of touchdown. At least one engine was running,the power setting is uncertain though a PPL eyewitness commented that the noise seemed unusually loud. As he also commented that the aircraft seemed much lower than normal (which is consistent with the short landing), the extra noise may be related to the lower than normal altitude. The aircraft's configuration at touchdown appears normal, and the weather, though a little gusty, seems unlikely to have been a major factor.

Whatever the cause, at least everyone got out safely.
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 13:09
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Aircraft very low on approach. That is the big question. Why? Flaps and leading edges all in expected position.

This was not a premeditated emergency according to a pax. They knew nothing until the impact.

Eyewitness suggest that engines were making more noise than usual which indicates that the crew were trying to re-establish the 3 degree glide path after discovering they were dangerously low on approach. Unfortunately it was too late.

The aircraft main gear has broken away from the aircraft which suggests it landed heavy and slow.

I wouldn't like to be the skipper of this one.

Looks like soot marks on starboard side.
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 13:19
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How on earth does anyone have any idea what happened? There are many possible causes ranging from across the entire spectrum. Why not stick to the facts, as presented by Danny. We have David Learmonth on telling us BA don't make mistakes, PPLs chipping in with all sorts of bunk and windshear based on 2 day old met reports.
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 13:22
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BBC TV showing footage indicating B777 touched down just yards inside the perimeter fence at Hatton Cross, short for 27L, and is beached, correctly upright short of the numbers at the 27L threshold, with all doors open and chutes deployed and no activity. Implies all exited and away. Can't figure how it stopped in less than 400m, with so little damage. Miraculous, esp if you were at Hatton Cross!
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 13:30
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Eyewitness on Sky suggesting the aircraft was "porpoising" on finals, and then stalled it in.

Anyone got a METAR for the time it happened ??
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 13:33
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A live report from a passenger on board (sounds S African) states that after the aircraft came to a halt the cabin crew told people to remain seated, then an evacuation took place WITHOUT a command from the flightdeck.

Obviously not conclusive in any way but if accurate suggests a cabin crew initiated evacuation.

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Old 17th Jan 2008, 13:56
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Interesting to see the APU inlet door open.
This maybe legit as they might have needed it running under the MEL.
However if both engines flamed out it would start and the RAT would deploy.

Can anyone see if the RAT is out?

Holy smokes they were lucky.
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Old 17th Jan 2008, 13:58
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Willie Walsh quoted on BBC:

"..........our cabin crew did a fantastic job. Also on-board were three flight crew and 136 passengers......"
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