Pilots Strike at SABENA over downsizing
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Pilots Strike at SABENA over downsizing
The airline's 1,000 pilots, which claimed they were not involved in the drawing up of the scheme, have threatened industrial action on Friday.
Is a strike wise in the current climate?
Is a strike wise in the current climate?
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Well rvr800,
I work for this outfit, and I can tell you that not all 1000 are on strike, better yet, less than half of us is...
4 out of 10 flights is cancelled, there is a lot of disagreement about this strike,lots of people are cancelling there membership of the union...
I'm deeply ashamed with the narrowed minds that some of my colleagues seem to have.
Normally I would NEVER break a strike...but this is not normal...
time to sharpen the pencil
I work for this outfit, and I can tell you that not all 1000 are on strike, better yet, less than half of us is...
4 out of 10 flights is cancelled, there is a lot of disagreement about this strike,lots of people are cancelling there membership of the union...
I'm deeply ashamed with the narrowed minds that some of my colleagues seem to have.
Normally I would NEVER break a strike...but this is not normal...
time to sharpen the pencil
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The pilots association, BeCA, is not even a recognised union.
They have been offered an opportunity - along with all the other unions - to examine the company's books and the basis for Christoph Muller's survival plan. They, along with everyone else, were told that for reasons of commercial confidentiality they could not take copies or disclose to third parties any of the information disclosed to them. The other unions accepted these terms - BeCA refused.
Both Muller and the company's chairman have made it absolutely clear that they will have no option other than to close the company down if the survival plan is not accepted.
With Swissair teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, it would be more than happy not to have to pump a further €200 million into Sabena - and it looks like the pilots have given them the excuse they need.
Approximately half the flights due to operate this morning have been cancelled.
Unfortunately, it means that 9,000 other people will be on the dole as a result. But what does BeCA care?
Meanwhile, unless a rescue package is agreed to "within days", Swissair and the Swissair group will be bankrupt and out of business.
New CEO Corti has guaranteed wages for September but cannot guarantee any for October.
The group reported losses of CHF2.9 billion mainly due to the Qualiflyer group losses, and has lost hundreds of millions in the past three weeks.
A €480 million loan repayment for LTU is due next week as well as the €200 million for Sabena.
Moritz Suter, founder and owner of Crossair, SR's traditionally successful "regional" is in talks to parties interested in investing in Crossair only.
Hard to believe or comprehend that potentially the national airline of Switzerland this time next week could be Crossair!
They have been offered an opportunity - along with all the other unions - to examine the company's books and the basis for Christoph Muller's survival plan. They, along with everyone else, were told that for reasons of commercial confidentiality they could not take copies or disclose to third parties any of the information disclosed to them. The other unions accepted these terms - BeCA refused.
Both Muller and the company's chairman have made it absolutely clear that they will have no option other than to close the company down if the survival plan is not accepted.
With Swissair teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, it would be more than happy not to have to pump a further €200 million into Sabena - and it looks like the pilots have given them the excuse they need.
Approximately half the flights due to operate this morning have been cancelled.
Unfortunately, it means that 9,000 other people will be on the dole as a result. But what does BeCA care?
Meanwhile, unless a rescue package is agreed to "within days", Swissair and the Swissair group will be bankrupt and out of business.
New CEO Corti has guaranteed wages for September but cannot guarantee any for October.
The group reported losses of CHF2.9 billion mainly due to the Qualiflyer group losses, and has lost hundreds of millions in the past three weeks.
A €480 million loan repayment for LTU is due next week as well as the €200 million for Sabena.
Moritz Suter, founder and owner of Crossair, SR's traditionally successful "regional" is in talks to parties interested in investing in Crossair only.
Hard to believe or comprehend that potentially the national airline of Switzerland this time next week could be Crossair!
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guvnor...well said!
Beca talks about solidarity, but hardly knows the maining of the word (I wanted to say don't know how to spell it...but in english, neither do I).
Furthermore, the only way they get a lot of people to strike is through serious intimidations, the people not striking are the ones taking their responsibility, DESPITE the intimidations.
I think the fact that more than half the flights are operating says enough!
Guvnor...ceo? got a job for me? hahaha
time to sharpen the pencil-but than again-whom to wright to?
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Beca talks about solidarity, but hardly knows the maining of the word (I wanted to say don't know how to spell it...but in english, neither do I).
Furthermore, the only way they get a lot of people to strike is through serious intimidations, the people not striking are the ones taking their responsibility, DESPITE the intimidations.
I think the fact that more than half the flights are operating says enough!
Guvnor...ceo? got a job for me? hahaha
time to sharpen the pencil-but than again-whom to wright to?
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Delay? What delay?
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I travelled on a staff ticket from ZRH to NCl via BRU on friday evening, and although my Sabena flight from BRU to NCL was operated by DAT, (thanks for not striking guys), I was sat next to some passengers that had received the now customary customer service, (or lack thereof) from Sabena. They had originally been booked BRU EDI, but were told that they would have to go to GLA instead as the EDI crew were striking. Fine they thought its not far and at least well be going in the right direction. They boarded the aircraft, and the cabin crew acted and spoke as if there was not going to be any problem. They were told that the flight was going to depart. However the flight deck, at the last minute decided to show great backbone by deciding that they were on strike after all, leaving the exasperated cabin crew to deal with the passengers. Forgetting the monumental stupidity of striking when the airline is at risk anyway, why did these fine upstanding professionals let their own colleagues, (not to mention the paying passengers) down so badly. I work for the Swissair group myself, and up until the recent strikes I had sympathy for the plight of SN. I do not now. It is always better to stick together in times of adversity, and striking is not helpful, except if you want to bankrupt the airline further. Well done guys.
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strikers and non-strikers alike are thinking
they're doing what is necessary for the future of Sabena
only time will tell who was right
let's hope Sabena will still be around next week
[ 03 October 2001: Message edited by: BLEKE ]
they're doing what is necessary for the future of Sabena
only time will tell who was right
let's hope Sabena will still be around next week
[ 03 October 2001: Message edited by: BLEKE ]
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I don't know the facts of this case but they would have to be extremely desperate to go on strike in the present financial climate that the airlines are in. Seems pretty short sighted to me.
If when it is all over and they are umemployed I don't reckon they will get much sympathy.
If when it is all over and they are umemployed I don't reckon they will get much sympathy.
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The press article below (in German) was referred to in a Swissair related thread. Looks as if the fresh money due from SR to SN may just never come:
"Crossair übernimmt Swissair!
VON FRANZ GLINZ UND CHRISTIAN DORER
KLOTEN / BERN – Unglaublich, was die UBS eingefädelt hat – und gestern an der Sitzung von Bundesrat, Banken und Swissair-Chef durchboxte: Die Crossair übernimmt die Swissair, die Tochter schluckt die Mutter! Neuer starker Mann wird Crossair-Gründer Moritz Suter (58). Swissair-Chef Mario Corti (54) muss sich fügen.
Aktienhandel ausgesetzt
KLOTEN/BASEL – Der Handel mit Swissair- und Crossair-Aktien an der Schweizer Börse SWX ist am Montag eingestellt worden. Er wird frühestens morgen wieder aufgenommen. Die Einstellung erfolgte auf Antrag der Swissair Group und der Crossair. Die Swissair Group hält gegenwärtig 70,4 Prozent der Crossair-Aktien. Heute am späten Nachmittag will die Swissair über ihre Zukunft informieren. In Belgien hält der Streik der Sabena-Piloten an. Mehrere Flüge mussten gestrichen werden.
Endlich konnten sich UBS und Credit Suisse gestern zu einer Sofort-Geldspritze durchringen, damit die Swissair-Flieger nicht am Boden bleiben müssen. Eine bescheidene Milliarde Franken schütten sie aus – was gerade mal für etwa einen Monat reichen würde.
Doch der Clou an der Sache: Nicht die Swissair erhält das Geld, sondern die Tochtergesellschaft Crossair. Diese Lösung muss selbst für Corti überraschend gekommen sein. Die UBS hatte den Coup zusammen mit Moritz Suter heimlich geplant und gestern überraschend präsentiert. Schachmatt für Corti, dem diese Lösung nicht gefallen kann. Doch er hat keine Wahl, will er nicht den ganzen Konzern pleite gehen lassen.
UBS-Sprecher Michael Willi erklärte gestern spät BLICK: «Das Management der Crossair wird gestärkt und ihr Aktienkapital erhöht.»
«Die Crossair wird eine viel grössere Firma», sagte UBS-Sprecher Willi. «Sie übernimmt das gesamte Fluggeschäft der Swissair.» Noch ungewiss war gestern, welche Teile des Swissair-Konzerns, etwa Gate Gourmet, SR Technics oder Swissport, ebenfalls in die Crossair-Auffanggesellschaft integriert werden.
Die Idee des UBS-Deals: Die Altlasten der Swissair werden bei der Sanierung nicht übernommen. Das heisst, die unrentablen Teile werden in den Konkurs geschickt. Und was mit den Schulden von mehr als 15 Milliarden Franken passiert, weiss noch niemand. Möglicherweise wird oder muss es zu einem Schuldenerlass der Gläubigerbanken der Swissair kommen.
Was UBS-Chef Marcel Ospel (51) und CS-Boss Lukas Mühlemann (51) ultimativ klar gemacht haben: Von ihrer Milliarde, deren Zahlung sie sich zu 51 und 49 Prozent teilen, darf kein Franken an die maroden Swissair-Auslandbeteiligungen gehen. Deshalb wird Belgiens Sabena die 200 Millionen vom Balsberg, die heute fällig sind, wohl nicht bekommen. Gleiches gilt für die französische Air Littoral, die auf 100 Millionen wartet.
Der UBS-Coup ist, so sagt auch UBS-Sprecher Willi, eine Radikallösung. Sie macht vielen Angst. Daniel Vischer (51), Präsident der Gewerkschaft VPOD: «Ich wurde völlig überrumpelt! Durch die Basler Machtübernahme sind jetzt viele Arbeitsplätze gefährdet. Und ich befürchte, dass nun die renommierten SR Technics verscherbelt werden.»
Hans-Jacob Heitz (58), Anwalt der verlustgeplagten Swissair-Kleinaktionäre, begrüsst zwar die Lösung mit Suters Auffanggesellschaft. Trotzdem ist er verärgert: «Jetzt wirds noch unwahrscheinlicher, dass der Versager-Rat, der die Swissair in den Abgrund geritten hat, in die Pflicht genommen wird und 500 Millionen Franken Schadenersatz zahlt. Jene, die das Debakel anrichteten, werden möglicherwiese nicht zur Kasse gebeten, während die Angestellten, die Aktionäre und Obligationäre der Swissair grosse Opfer bringen müssen.»
Sogar Swissair-Manager wurden gestern vom UBS-Coup völlig überrascht. Niemand weiss, wie es weitergeht. Die Verwaltungsräte von Swissair und Crossair tagten gestern bis tief in die Nacht, um das weitere Vorgehen zu besprechen. Viel Feinarbeit ist nötig, bis Suter die Swissair ganz unter seinen Fittichen hat. Und was tut dann Mario Corti? Verlässt er den Konzern? Nur eines war gemäss Swissair-Pressesprecher Siro Barino gestern Nacht gewiss: «Am Montag fliegen wir noch.»
Artikel vom 30. September"
"Crossair übernimmt Swissair!
VON FRANZ GLINZ UND CHRISTIAN DORER
KLOTEN / BERN – Unglaublich, was die UBS eingefädelt hat – und gestern an der Sitzung von Bundesrat, Banken und Swissair-Chef durchboxte: Die Crossair übernimmt die Swissair, die Tochter schluckt die Mutter! Neuer starker Mann wird Crossair-Gründer Moritz Suter (58). Swissair-Chef Mario Corti (54) muss sich fügen.
Aktienhandel ausgesetzt
KLOTEN/BASEL – Der Handel mit Swissair- und Crossair-Aktien an der Schweizer Börse SWX ist am Montag eingestellt worden. Er wird frühestens morgen wieder aufgenommen. Die Einstellung erfolgte auf Antrag der Swissair Group und der Crossair. Die Swissair Group hält gegenwärtig 70,4 Prozent der Crossair-Aktien. Heute am späten Nachmittag will die Swissair über ihre Zukunft informieren. In Belgien hält der Streik der Sabena-Piloten an. Mehrere Flüge mussten gestrichen werden.
Endlich konnten sich UBS und Credit Suisse gestern zu einer Sofort-Geldspritze durchringen, damit die Swissair-Flieger nicht am Boden bleiben müssen. Eine bescheidene Milliarde Franken schütten sie aus – was gerade mal für etwa einen Monat reichen würde.
Doch der Clou an der Sache: Nicht die Swissair erhält das Geld, sondern die Tochtergesellschaft Crossair. Diese Lösung muss selbst für Corti überraschend gekommen sein. Die UBS hatte den Coup zusammen mit Moritz Suter heimlich geplant und gestern überraschend präsentiert. Schachmatt für Corti, dem diese Lösung nicht gefallen kann. Doch er hat keine Wahl, will er nicht den ganzen Konzern pleite gehen lassen.
UBS-Sprecher Michael Willi erklärte gestern spät BLICK: «Das Management der Crossair wird gestärkt und ihr Aktienkapital erhöht.»
«Die Crossair wird eine viel grössere Firma», sagte UBS-Sprecher Willi. «Sie übernimmt das gesamte Fluggeschäft der Swissair.» Noch ungewiss war gestern, welche Teile des Swissair-Konzerns, etwa Gate Gourmet, SR Technics oder Swissport, ebenfalls in die Crossair-Auffanggesellschaft integriert werden.
Die Idee des UBS-Deals: Die Altlasten der Swissair werden bei der Sanierung nicht übernommen. Das heisst, die unrentablen Teile werden in den Konkurs geschickt. Und was mit den Schulden von mehr als 15 Milliarden Franken passiert, weiss noch niemand. Möglicherweise wird oder muss es zu einem Schuldenerlass der Gläubigerbanken der Swissair kommen.
Was UBS-Chef Marcel Ospel (51) und CS-Boss Lukas Mühlemann (51) ultimativ klar gemacht haben: Von ihrer Milliarde, deren Zahlung sie sich zu 51 und 49 Prozent teilen, darf kein Franken an die maroden Swissair-Auslandbeteiligungen gehen. Deshalb wird Belgiens Sabena die 200 Millionen vom Balsberg, die heute fällig sind, wohl nicht bekommen. Gleiches gilt für die französische Air Littoral, die auf 100 Millionen wartet.
Der UBS-Coup ist, so sagt auch UBS-Sprecher Willi, eine Radikallösung. Sie macht vielen Angst. Daniel Vischer (51), Präsident der Gewerkschaft VPOD: «Ich wurde völlig überrumpelt! Durch die Basler Machtübernahme sind jetzt viele Arbeitsplätze gefährdet. Und ich befürchte, dass nun die renommierten SR Technics verscherbelt werden.»
Hans-Jacob Heitz (58), Anwalt der verlustgeplagten Swissair-Kleinaktionäre, begrüsst zwar die Lösung mit Suters Auffanggesellschaft. Trotzdem ist er verärgert: «Jetzt wirds noch unwahrscheinlicher, dass der Versager-Rat, der die Swissair in den Abgrund geritten hat, in die Pflicht genommen wird und 500 Millionen Franken Schadenersatz zahlt. Jene, die das Debakel anrichteten, werden möglicherwiese nicht zur Kasse gebeten, während die Angestellten, die Aktionäre und Obligationäre der Swissair grosse Opfer bringen müssen.»
Sogar Swissair-Manager wurden gestern vom UBS-Coup völlig überrascht. Niemand weiss, wie es weitergeht. Die Verwaltungsräte von Swissair und Crossair tagten gestern bis tief in die Nacht, um das weitere Vorgehen zu besprechen. Viel Feinarbeit ist nötig, bis Suter die Swissair ganz unter seinen Fittichen hat. Und was tut dann Mario Corti? Verlässt er den Konzern? Nur eines war gemäss Swissair-Pressesprecher Siro Barino gestern Nacht gewiss: «Am Montag fliegen wir noch.»
Artikel vom 30. September"
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I'm sorry to say that the Belgium Pilot's union, have to be the biggest pack of morons I've ever heard of. They are not only bringing themselves down, but will bring other's down with them. 
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Are those of you who took industrial action so blind that you cannot see what is plainly obvious to the rest of us.
Your Jobs and those of your friends are at risk, not to mention those thousands who rely upon income from SABENA employees.
In todays climate its easier to let a loss making company cease trading, and resurect something from the ashes, than to support a group who have no desire to help their organisation and their working colleagues in very difficult circumstances.
Before September 11th you were in very deep trouble as were several operations in Belgium, but since then SABENA has found itself in worse trouble than its counterparts and needs every single employees help to survive.
Early retirement, Voluntary severence,short time working and enforced redundancy, is your only way out in the short term but this is not good enough in the long term.
Short term thinking will not help you now and Industrial action equates to hundreds of Lemmings heading for that cliff and the oblivion of SABENA.
There are many European companies out there just waiting to fill your routes with lower cost personnel, and any manager will be able to see who is co-operative and who wants to cause grief. As an employer who would you take on when jobs are available ?.
I do not advocate the crossing of properly consituted picket lines where the majority have voted in favour of action, but if there are only a few militants then its the individual who must wrestle with his or her convictions and decide what is better for their family.
A suggestion would be that the Government reduce the taxation on Belgian Airlines and their employees,(Whats good for one should be help for all)and that Brussels airport reduce its costs as well for say a six month period.
This would allow the Airlines to reduce costs and give the employees a chance to take a reduced salary (Offset by a reduction in taxes)and so keep as many people as possible in full employment.
May God protect the innocent from the decisions of fools
Your Jobs and those of your friends are at risk, not to mention those thousands who rely upon income from SABENA employees.
In todays climate its easier to let a loss making company cease trading, and resurect something from the ashes, than to support a group who have no desire to help their organisation and their working colleagues in very difficult circumstances.
Before September 11th you were in very deep trouble as were several operations in Belgium, but since then SABENA has found itself in worse trouble than its counterparts and needs every single employees help to survive.
Early retirement, Voluntary severence,short time working and enforced redundancy, is your only way out in the short term but this is not good enough in the long term.
Short term thinking will not help you now and Industrial action equates to hundreds of Lemmings heading for that cliff and the oblivion of SABENA.
There are many European companies out there just waiting to fill your routes with lower cost personnel, and any manager will be able to see who is co-operative and who wants to cause grief. As an employer who would you take on when jobs are available ?.
I do not advocate the crossing of properly consituted picket lines where the majority have voted in favour of action, but if there are only a few militants then its the individual who must wrestle with his or her convictions and decide what is better for their family.
A suggestion would be that the Government reduce the taxation on Belgian Airlines and their employees,(Whats good for one should be help for all)and that Brussels airport reduce its costs as well for say a six month period.
This would allow the Airlines to reduce costs and give the employees a chance to take a reduced salary (Offset by a reduction in taxes)and so keep as many people as possible in full employment.
May God protect the innocent from the decisions of fools
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BeCA seem to have some very funny ideas about how to guarantee jobs in the industry. They have, at some time or another, caused problems in just about every Belgian airline, all in the name of ensuring that Belgian National aircrew have jobs, even to the detriment of other, often more experienced, EU nationals. To call industrial action in this present climate seems idiotic, striking for jobs is like screwing for virginity!
Don't get me wrong, I spend a lot of time on SN as SLF &, despite what others say, have normally found it a good experience. Now, as often happens, we have a few idiots trying to ruin it for thousands of reasonably hard working others.
Don't get me wrong, I spend a lot of time on SN as SLF &, despite what others say, have normally found it a good experience. Now, as often happens, we have a few idiots trying to ruin it for thousands of reasonably hard working others.
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since Swissair has filed for bankruptcy, we can be sure that Sabena will follow, maybe this week already.
I think Sabena has no more money to pay its employees this month. It needed badly this week the money from Swissair, 100 million euros.
I think Sabena has no more money to pay its employees this month. It needed badly this week the money from Swissair, 100 million euros.
short flights long nights
Going by the news from Swissair, I think things may be getting worse at SABENA, no matter how long the pilots strike for. In fact they may as well stay at home anyway, there well may be no airline left to strike against in the next few days anyway. 
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Well, well, seems like us striking pilots don't get a lot of credit here, although our goal is quite simple: refuse to buy an empty bag. We're convinced (for 1000%) that Sabena is doomed with the actual businessplan and we're ready to fight for every 0,1% chance to save our company. You might think of us as morons, but at least we don't drop our pants whenever a so called manager comes up with 'the best plan Sabena has ever had'. We want to do what we think is the right thing to do. The other Sabeniens are with us or they aren't, but we are ready to go all the way, for Sabena and all of its employees. I would have expected greater solidarity from you guys, but it seems that you choose to go down without a fight. Remember that without BeCA lots of us ( DAT maybe? ) would still be making peanuts.
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Maybe I have not made myselve very clear Sir>
If you carry on with you sensless strike, you won`t have an airline to go back to, or the day Sabena folds will be bought forward.
Where do you think you are going to get another job? In case you haven't realised, airline pilots at the moment are 2 a penny, and it will be the case for i good period to come, in my view. Get your head out of the sand.
If you carry on with you sensless strike, you won`t have an airline to go back to, or the day Sabena folds will be bought forward.
Where do you think you are going to get another job? In case you haven't realised, airline pilots at the moment are 2 a penny, and it will be the case for i good period to come, in my view. Get your head out of the sand.
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When we look at the news over here in Belgium we hear from this subject all day. The opinion almost all people have about the striking pilots is that they are a bunch of egoistical, egocentric men who like to get their 15 minutes of faim and who are too proud to show that they are starting to understand that they are completely destroying the company (it's about time they too start realising that!)
Ok, maybe Muler's plan isn't really good, it's the only one out there that offers any chance of survival.
The pilots on strike with the biggest mouth are the captains who don't really have anything to lose apart from a part of their huge salaries. Why do you think most pilots from DAT are flying? They are young pilots without the necessary hours to apply to other companies and who'll work hard to earn the money they need to pay off their enormeous debts.
If they are thinking that Muller's plan will destroy Sabena, maybe they should check out the reactions from the passengers. Do they have any idea how many passengers they've lost over the last four days? Most of those are business passengers and they won't fly with SABENA again for a real long time to come. Believe me you're losing a LOT of them. (and I'm not saying that because it's been said on the news, I'm saying that because I've heard a lot of your previous loyal clients)
Ok you may not be supportive of Muller, but it should be a pilot's job to be there for the passengers and the company.
Keeping all the lines and airplanes they have operative would be nice but if you don't have any passengers anymore, what then?
I think it's time for those pilots to rethink their loyalties and start getting conscious of where their pays are coming from.
Ok, maybe Muler's plan isn't really good, it's the only one out there that offers any chance of survival.
The pilots on strike with the biggest mouth are the captains who don't really have anything to lose apart from a part of their huge salaries. Why do you think most pilots from DAT are flying? They are young pilots without the necessary hours to apply to other companies and who'll work hard to earn the money they need to pay off their enormeous debts.
If they are thinking that Muller's plan will destroy Sabena, maybe they should check out the reactions from the passengers. Do they have any idea how many passengers they've lost over the last four days? Most of those are business passengers and they won't fly with SABENA again for a real long time to come. Believe me you're losing a LOT of them. (and I'm not saying that because it's been said on the news, I'm saying that because I've heard a lot of your previous loyal clients)
Ok you may not be supportive of Muller, but it should be a pilot's job to be there for the passengers and the company.
Keeping all the lines and airplanes they have operative would be nice but if you don't have any passengers anymore, what then?
I think it's time for those pilots to rethink their loyalties and start getting conscious of where their pays are coming from.
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Well RAFC, speak for yourself!
If you are one of those guys that Mishandled describes in the previous page-without backbone, without any feeling for what you are doing to the passengers, without any the realization that you are destroying the future (is there any?) of this company (see DOFKE, he is sooooo right about the bussiness passengers, I know it from first hand!), without common sense etc etc-I don not want te be associated with you!
I wonder why about 300 pilots are NOT on strike, despite the intimidations by Beca!
Even better...when I come in the crewroom now, I see al the people I really like, people who have seen more of the world, people who can think for themselves!
Very funny to see on tv that when they ask the strikers why they strike...they actualy do not know!! no comment is what you here.
Or the comment you have made about the good things Beca has done in the past...now there is a good reason to just join the crowd in blind faith-NOT! A pilot should always be able to re-evaluate the situation using ALL the information available to him/her.
Latest news: Beca has postponed the strike for 24 hours, but will strike again tomorrow if Muller does not resign and the goverment does not reject the buss-plan.
RAFC, do you have any idea how much time we will lose by doing this?
And time, my dear, is what we NOT have.
Have a good look at the comments of MISHANDLED, K13 K9 and DOLFKE, they show more understanding of the situation than the (few) militants...
Yes, few, because the rest of the people on strike are either too afraid of Beca not to strike, or cannot think for themselves.
And DOLFKE, lots of people at DAT not on strike are not only the younger ones, but also the elder with common sense.
Time to wake up to the real world!
If you are one of those guys that Mishandled describes in the previous page-without backbone, without any feeling for what you are doing to the passengers, without any the realization that you are destroying the future (is there any?) of this company (see DOFKE, he is sooooo right about the bussiness passengers, I know it from first hand!), without common sense etc etc-I don not want te be associated with you!
I wonder why about 300 pilots are NOT on strike, despite the intimidations by Beca!
Even better...when I come in the crewroom now, I see al the people I really like, people who have seen more of the world, people who can think for themselves!
Very funny to see on tv that when they ask the strikers why they strike...they actualy do not know!! no comment is what you here.
Or the comment you have made about the good things Beca has done in the past...now there is a good reason to just join the crowd in blind faith-NOT! A pilot should always be able to re-evaluate the situation using ALL the information available to him/her.
Latest news: Beca has postponed the strike for 24 hours, but will strike again tomorrow if Muller does not resign and the goverment does not reject the buss-plan.
RAFC, do you have any idea how much time we will lose by doing this?
And time, my dear, is what we NOT have.
Have a good look at the comments of MISHANDLED, K13 K9 and DOLFKE, they show more understanding of the situation than the (few) militants...
Yes, few, because the rest of the people on strike are either too afraid of Beca not to strike, or cannot think for themselves.
And DOLFKE, lots of people at DAT not on strike are not only the younger ones, but also the elder with common sense.
Time to wake up to the real world!
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As one who knows what the pax (and ex-SN pax) think and who frequently observes the fallout of the Sabena pilots' strike at first hand, I can only shake my head and wonder at the intelligence of people, who, while criticising someone else's business plan, show us that their own brilliant strategy is to chase as many passengers and potential passengers away from their airline as fast as they can.
Well ladies and gentlemen, judging by the way you act, you are completely unaware of the events of the last few weeks and you are quite ignorant of the fact that Virgin Express and Ryanair (and maybe others) are just biding their time, watching you self-destruct. SN on your CV won't be the ticket to a luxury ride as you have had for so long.
In fact, it's a classic case of behaviour by people from a certain country, IMHO.
When will they ever learn ?
Well ladies and gentlemen, judging by the way you act, you are completely unaware of the events of the last few weeks and you are quite ignorant of the fact that Virgin Express and Ryanair (and maybe others) are just biding their time, watching you self-destruct. SN on your CV won't be the ticket to a luxury ride as you have had for so long.
In fact, it's a classic case of behaviour by people from a certain country, IMHO.
When will they ever learn ?