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" Dublin security ask to 'inspect' your licence!! "
Since when has security been doing ramp checks ?
All they have to do is check your form of ID, if it's acceptable that's the end of it. Do they ask to inspect an engineers licence? - no, do they ask to see cabin crew licence? - no.
I for one will not give my licence to some muppet in secruity.
Next time ask if your ID is valid and if they refuse entry go back to the crew room.
Since when has security been doing ramp checks ?
All they have to do is check your form of ID, if it's acceptable that's the end of it. Do they ask to inspect an engineers licence? - no, do they ask to see cabin crew licence? - no.
I for one will not give my licence to some muppet in secruity.
Next time ask if your ID is valid and if they refuse entry go back to the crew room.
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Further to RIX’s above post it’s actually more crazy than that.
I no longer work for a UK airline and am employed by an EU one. Thus I have a foreign ID/Pass that has no tie to any UK airport – but it gives me better access at all of them than my old UK pass used to.
No awkward questions, no escorts, no nothing –
“Can I see your ID sir? Of course. Yes that’s fine thank you” is the typical conversation.
Now, if I still had a UK pass then other airports than the one it’s been issued through would say it’s not valid.
Go figure. HP
I no longer work for a UK airline and am employed by an EU one. Thus I have a foreign ID/Pass that has no tie to any UK airport – but it gives me better access at all of them than my old UK pass used to.
No awkward questions, no escorts, no nothing –
“Can I see your ID sir? Of course. Yes that’s fine thank you” is the typical conversation.
Now, if I still had a UK pass then other airports than the one it’s been issued through would say it’s not valid.
Go figure. HP
Good point fivegreen, does the fact that we have a licence that can be inspected, but other staff don't amount to discrimination against us as we are being treated differently to other staff?
I suspect though, that it will be seen as a responsible extra check by security personnel and I personally have no major objections, but I do wish that they knew what they were looking for!!
I suspect though, that it will be seen as a responsible extra check by security personnel and I personally have no major objections, but I do wish that they knew what they were looking for!!
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dont talk to the monkey, go straight to the organ grinder
The aviation security act 1982 ammended 1990 is quite explicit on who is allowed into a restricted zone and also who is responsible for deciding what is an acceptable form of ID.
As all UK airports now have to follow DFT rules for the granting of an airside pass ie CRC and references, it follows that all UK airside passes are issued to the same level.
The aviation security act states that you are allowed airside if you hold an ID that is acceptable to the aerodrome manager, not acceptable to the security guard is as far as I am concerned not a valid reason to prevent airside access.
I have in the past quoted the Act to security personnel to mixed responses, I have even taken it all the way to the aerodrome manager and gained access (i think i was just being a pain in the backside and they wanted to get rid of me) In any event it does get up the nose of the jobsworths.
if you want chapter and verse the act is online below.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatut..._19820036_en_1
As all UK airports now have to follow DFT rules for the granting of an airside pass ie CRC and references, it follows that all UK airside passes are issued to the same level.
The aviation security act states that you are allowed airside if you hold an ID that is acceptable to the aerodrome manager, not acceptable to the security guard is as far as I am concerned not a valid reason to prevent airside access.
I have in the past quoted the Act to security personnel to mixed responses, I have even taken it all the way to the aerodrome manager and gained access (i think i was just being a pain in the backside and they wanted to get rid of me) In any event it does get up the nose of the jobsworths.
if you want chapter and verse the act is online below.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatut..._19820036_en_1
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Why???
I am based at an airport in the north of england but also work at two others, at the first and second I have an airside no ramp pass but have no pass for the third. Here I am escorted by a team member who does hold a airside no ramp pass for that airport(but they have to return the pass to pass office at the end of the shift) why can I use just the one?
I have just renewed the two passes both forms were different and required different information why?
Also going though the staff channels at all 3 airports I am required to do different things, ( ie shoes off shoes on ) why?
Should all this be standard across the UK, as it is the same document from the DfT
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I have just renewed the two passes both forms were different and required different information why?
Also going though the staff channels at all 3 airports I am required to do different things, ( ie shoes off shoes on ) why?
Should all this be standard across the UK, as it is the same document from the DfT
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Has anybody else had a bad experience operating through glasgow with the security staff there?
Witnessed the most ridiculous situation this morning, where tempers flared a little with the security staff, following a request from the crew to calm down, the response was "dont tell me to calm down" whilst pointing the finger.
hoping that it will be a one off, for both parties involved.
When will it stop?
Witnessed the most ridiculous situation this morning, where tempers flared a little with the security staff, following a request from the crew to calm down, the response was "dont tell me to calm down" whilst pointing the finger.
hoping that it will be a one off, for both parties involved.
When will it stop?
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The stupidity of the actions by security on this thread beggars belief. I often remember working at Manchester with a Manchester airside pass. There was a time when the pass was "parked" as I had not used it at Manchester for a given period - however it never stopped me being given access into any other airport whilst it was parked at Manchester! Only Manchester that issued the pass in the first place denied me access!!!
Yep, Mine is parked at LTN at the moment as the a/c I fly is not based there. Has been for almost 2 years. But I can't unpark it as to do so you have to go to the pass issue place with a letter from the company. BUT you then have to operate out within 24 hrs, which I can't as no flights from LTN on my type. Yes I know why not get a pass from another airport. Apparently that has it's problems too. Anyway the pass works in the rest of the UK & the world.
Silly games to make life difficult. As I said any arguments I just go back to the crew romm and let someone else sort it out.
Silly games to make life difficult. As I said any arguments I just go back to the crew romm and let someone else sort it out.
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This business of "parked" IDs is one of the daftest in the whole daft business of "security".
At own base, with locally issued ID that is parked (ie, not been used for - dunno - 60 days?) and won't respond to the card reader access is refused. Local base, local card, go home! Then a Turkish crew comes past, nothing "disclosed" to anyone Scottish, cards issued in a state with utterly porous borders with at least 2 terrorist states, and...?
Aviation personnel (inc pax) "security" is an utter disgrace imho, and the DFT or whatever they call themselves this week should hang their bureautwatic heads in shame. And to think these oxygen thieves qualify for final salary pensions.
At own base, with locally issued ID that is parked (ie, not been used for - dunno - 60 days?) and won't respond to the card reader access is refused. Local base, local card, go home! Then a Turkish crew comes past, nothing "disclosed" to anyone Scottish, cards issued in a state with utterly porous borders with at least 2 terrorist states, and...?
Aviation personnel (inc pax) "security" is an utter disgrace imho, and the DFT or whatever they call themselves this week should hang their bureautwatic heads in shame. And to think these oxygen thieves qualify for final salary pensions.
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We had a heads up that DFT inspectors were going to be on the prowl the other day.
Can you guess what was Number 1 on their "hit list?"..................
Hi-viz done up at the front!!
Can you guess what was Number 1 on their "hit list?"..................
Hi-viz done up at the front!!
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Last summer a I operated out of Dublin for four days wearing a pair of jeans and a casual shirt as Ryanair had managed to lose my suitcase on the way over from LGW. I had my BAA pass but was never asked for any other kind of ID from staff security or in fact from any other member of airport staff !!
Different standards for diffent days methinks!
Different standards for diffent days methinks!
Last evening operating out of BFS as a Flight Engineer for Brussels based cargo airline, I was issued with a Visitors airside pass and escorted by handling agent to our aircraft. Both pilots allowed through as crew.
It seems that F/E's are not considered aircrew at this security gate although I have been told that another Belgium based A300 operator at this airport does not have this problem.
Also I was told by secirity that only 5 tempory passes can be issued to an individual before a permanent one has to be obtained. (I've now had 2)
Anybody have any comments or ideas on this one.
It seems that F/E's are not considered aircrew at this security gate although I have been told that another Belgium based A300 operator at this airport does not have this problem.
Also I was told by secirity that only 5 tempory passes can be issued to an individual before a permanent one has to be obtained. (I've now had 2)
Anybody have any comments or ideas on this one.
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At my airport I work for Pax services. We sometimes have crew/engineers from airliners that are not based at my airport; therefore security will not allow them to go through the Validation Point with their own ID. So all we do is write out a manual boarding card and send them through the passenger route. Once they are through security they can then go over to a gate and ring our operations who will collect them from there.
So security would NOT allow them through on an ID which was issued by another Airport and approved by the DfT, but all I had was write their name on a manual boarding card and then they could just walk through the passenger security.
So security would NOT allow them through on an ID which was issued by another Airport and approved by the DfT, but all I had was write their name on a manual boarding card and then they could just walk through the passenger security.
Ice Pack.
Thanks for that.
I don't get wound up, I just go with the flow.
Life's too short etc.
Any one know why F/E,s are not considered Aircrew at this airport?
I've never had this anywhere else.
Thanks for that.
I don't get wound up, I just go with the flow.
Life's too short etc.
Any one know why F/E,s are not considered Aircrew at this airport?
I've never had this anywhere else.
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It's a long time since BFS has seen an aircraft with a Flight Engineer Unfortunatly the security staff are just to stupid to understand that a Flight Engineer is part of the flight crew.
Unfortunatly "security" is run by dim witted office types and implimented by low grade low pay narrow minded people with an over inflated sense of importance. How can you expect them to know anything about what the dutys of flight crew are?
This was the airport that took from me a "sharp object" at security and then sent some one to the flight deck to with the "sharp" in a plastic bag for "safe keeping" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunatly "security" is run by dim witted office types and implimented by low grade low pay narrow minded people with an over inflated sense of importance. How can you expect them to know anything about what the dutys of flight crew are?
This was the airport that took from me a "sharp object" at security and then sent some one to the flight deck to with the "sharp" in a plastic bag for "safe keeping" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!