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Old 26th Dec 2007, 20:40
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TCAS to TA/RA is a checklist item when cleared to line up, as well as the strobes and terrain mode etc; and we were cleared to line up behind the landing 737.

I concurr exactly with KO in his reply above, and that was precisely my point when initiating this thread.

The home-made approach that I witnessed at ALC did not impress, smooth touchdown and exceptional handling skills or otherwise, it appalled.

I too had hoped that those days were over.

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TCAS to TA/RA is a checklist item when cleared to line up, as well as the strobes and terrain mode etc; and we were cleared to line up behind the landing 737.
Does your SOP require a check to be completed Before Line Up or When Lining Up or When Cleared to Line-Up

Just interested because taking the strobes as an example, we keep them off during ground operation to avoid dazzle and distraction. Seems to defeat that objective if you turn them on while stationary at the holding point with a clearance of behind the aircraft on 4 nm final line-up. After all, you are going to sit there for a few minutes watching them come down the final.

We will hold the check and on release of the parking brake to enter the runway, complete the check.

Just wondering if there is a reason for linking it with the clearance (which in extremis could be received on the apron) rather than the entry to the runway.

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Old 27th Dec 2007, 04:09
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"A couple of years to go to retirement"
I'm sure a few FO's are looking forward to that day.
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The home-made approach that I witnessed at ALC did not impress, smooth touchdown and exceptional handling skills or otherwise, it appalled.

I too had hoped that those days were over.

MOT
By "those days" do you mean when stupid people flew?
Judging by what I read here and other threads I think I can sum up that today we have greater technology coupled with more and more rules created to protect the public from the lesser skilled, lesser experienced, younger crowd just strapping in and looking to pay down the flight school debt.

You were appalled. Was this because you felt this pilot was unsafe or his tie was not on?
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Old 27th Dec 2007, 08:37
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Jaxon,

Your last post added very little to the debate, but thank you anyway.

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Old 27th Dec 2007, 10:03
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Well then, let me try harder.

As unnecessary as your victims' display of coordination and skill was, I find it appalling that so much vitriol and over-dramatization be directed his way. (I thought I did rather nicely, myself.)
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Old 27th Dec 2007, 12:04
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The hands on brigade have cost a lot more lives than the aircraft systems failing. Hopefully we will soon move into totally automated aircraft that can avoid running of runways, flying into the sea and or terrain ot even each other. You don't need to practice hand flying 'skills', just another myth.
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Old 27th Dec 2007, 12:17
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You don't need to practice hand flying 'skills', just another myth.
Gotta laugh at this one....

One wonders just what courtney's flying experience is...
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I guess Courtney isn't a real pilot then. How any autopilots have flown obediently into mountains? Quite a lot you'll find. Back to your copy of MS Flight Simulator boy!
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Back to your copy of MS Flight Simulator boy
[geek mode]
And you think it is easy?! Try doing a circuit on MSFS like the ones you do on a real sim, but try not to "crash" the "plane"
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john_tullamarine, mod on Pprune's Tech Forum:
Except, perhaps, for those infrequently encountered gifted souls who seem to have been born with a joystick in hand (I have encountered just two such pilots .. and don't they make mere mortals such as me envious) .. the majority of us have to work hard at acquiring and maintaining skills
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When it all turns to custard we are not looking for elegance (except from the aforementioned gifted pilots) .. rather a workmanlike and repeatable way of recovering from the situation.
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