Air Atlanta and other wet lease companies, how are they likely to ride the storm?
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The BY contract went for different reasons to those stated. BY wanted
a B767 as a standby CC were not in a position to add a
4th type to the AOC, so it wasnt possible.
411A is as usual just trying to stir-up a bit of trouble.
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a B767 as a standby CC were not in a position to add a
4th type to the AOC, so it wasnt possible.
411A is as usual just trying to stir-up a bit of trouble.
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At the time CC were not in a posn to hire and train the drivers for the B767 that BY wanted. They were already committed to add further L1011's to the Caledonian fleet.
The B767 deal that CC now has with excel is for 5 years and further a/c are being added to the fleet for the future expansion of excel. Also CC have deals for the 76's to go to India for the Hajj so now have year round work for them...
The B767 deal that CC now has with excel is for 5 years and further a/c are being added to the fleet for the future expansion of excel. Also CC have deals for the 76's to go to India for the Hajj so now have year round work for them...
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I have been reading this thread with interest!
You, wideboy, and your mate 411a obviously don't know what you are talking about. You are nothing but a bunch of windbags, puffing up big behind your computers.
What do you know about the employees of air atlanta? You have no idea as to who is employed, what their abilities are or where they have come from. I would also advise you to be careful as to making statements about AAI employees, unless you have the desire to stand up in a court room and make the same remarks there.
Get your facts straight, the B767 is on the AOC, secondly AAI has contracts well into next year for both types of aircraft.
As to AAI losing a lucrative contract due to disgruntled employees actions, what hogwash! A funny thing that they were cleared to continue the operation by the CAA only a few days later after the allegations were made!
They then went on to operate contracts for the Whitehouse.
My guess is that the 2 of you were either previously employed by the company or wanted to be and they decided they did not need the likes of you in their operation.
You, wideboy, and your mate 411a obviously don't know what you are talking about. You are nothing but a bunch of windbags, puffing up big behind your computers.
What do you know about the employees of air atlanta? You have no idea as to who is employed, what their abilities are or where they have come from. I would also advise you to be careful as to making statements about AAI employees, unless you have the desire to stand up in a court room and make the same remarks there.
Get your facts straight, the B767 is on the AOC, secondly AAI has contracts well into next year for both types of aircraft.
As to AAI losing a lucrative contract due to disgruntled employees actions, what hogwash! A funny thing that they were cleared to continue the operation by the CAA only a few days later after the allegations were made!
They then went on to operate contracts for the Whitehouse.
My guess is that the 2 of you were either previously employed by the company or wanted to be and they decided they did not need the likes of you in their operation.
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As an aai employ im reading lot of bull****s here from some people that definetly are ex-worker of the company and they dont know **** about the company.my opinion is that aai will survive.
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Well said shake rattle n roll. I think the others are guys that didn't make it with AAI and are applying for Airline nr 15+. (MAX 3-6 months and then are off to the computer and crying) AAI will survive. 
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Wideboy, some of what you say is true, some less so. The New CEO is very well qualified for the position given his past experience and obvious talent for the job. That is my feeling anyway. And I wish him the best of luck
411a - A little knowledge is indeed a dangerous thing. Ref dismantelling A/C. The aircraft was JAR ICAA registered. Therefore no FAA representation is required. Even if it were FAA registered you can park an aircraft and remove parts up six months after last flight, as long as you can show servicability and function on the last flight as, servicable as removed. This has been done since Pontious was a pilot.
The Jar work on a similar schedule whereas if you intend for the project to extend beyond this acceptable time frame then you have to write and have accepted a reclamation program. Accepted by the JAR licencing body. Ref JAR 145-50 & 60 leaflet 10 & 11. Even with this in place a lot of components still have to go to shop for Zero timeing.
Anti-Ice, looks like you were right with the guv.
Whiskery, Right on.
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411a - A little knowledge is indeed a dangerous thing. Ref dismantelling A/C. The aircraft was JAR ICAA registered. Therefore no FAA representation is required. Even if it were FAA registered you can park an aircraft and remove parts up six months after last flight, as long as you can show servicability and function on the last flight as, servicable as removed. This has been done since Pontious was a pilot.
The Jar work on a similar schedule whereas if you intend for the project to extend beyond this acceptable time frame then you have to write and have accepted a reclamation program. Accepted by the JAR licencing body. Ref JAR 145-50 & 60 leaflet 10 & 11. Even with this in place a lot of components still have to go to shop for Zero timeing.
Anti-Ice, looks like you were right with the guv.
Whiskery, Right on.
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Before we got into name calling, I said in my first post on this thread that AAI ought to ride this storm out pretty well. I also pointed out that a lot of the guys that bitched about them and accused them of flagging out or operating under a flag of convenience may have cause to eat their words and fax their resumés to Iceland in the current business environment.
Make no mistake, I´m all for Atlanta, it seems like some people there are a bit touchy though! Besides, it´s not like the new VP will actually be involved in any marketing.
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Make no mistake, I´m all for Atlanta, it seems like some people there are a bit touchy though! Besides, it´s not like the new VP will actually be involved in any marketing.
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Was the incident, the one which involved the fuel pump "falling" out of the wing onto the Grnd Engineer, who was changing it, pouring tons of fuel onto the ramp,@ Stand 31, I think it was??? Quite an amazing thing to see, the poor engineer was like a drowned rat!
With Regards to the Hajj, I cannot see the Regulatory Aviation Authorities, allowing "G", "EI" & "F" registered aircraft, go down that part of the world this year. Remember, they still have to go down an approve out-stations and so on. Anyway, the governements, might see it as one way, of getting "resolve" on the pilgrims? ("A new kind of war", I think, it is being refered, to as)
With Regards to the Hajj, I cannot see the Regulatory Aviation Authorities, allowing "G", "EI" & "F" registered aircraft, go down that part of the world this year. Remember, they still have to go down an approve out-stations and so on. Anyway, the governements, might see it as one way, of getting "resolve" on the pilgrims? ("A new kind of war", I think, it is being refered, to as)
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Just a little postscript to my last post on this thread:
If things don´t look significantly better at my current outfit (where I have been flying for over two years, thanks Jokeair) then I might be one of the ones sending my resumé to Atlanta again! In the year and a half I flew there I had fun and would do it again, but that doesn´t change the fact that they have more than their share of dead weight.
As for the Hajj being cancelled, I wouldn´t worry about that too much. There certainly won´t be many pilgrims from Afghanistan this year though!
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If things don´t look significantly better at my current outfit (where I have been flying for over two years, thanks Jokeair) then I might be one of the ones sending my resumé to Atlanta again! In the year and a half I flew there I had fun and would do it again, but that doesn´t change the fact that they have more than their share of dead weight.
As for the Hajj being cancelled, I wouldn´t worry about that too much. There certainly won´t be many pilgrims from Afghanistan this year though!
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EIEIO.
The first part of the Hadj starts around the 12th January. Following the demise of Transaer, I don’t believe that there will be any Irish carriers supporting the movement. But I would take bets that Air Atlanta, Britannia and Corse Air will be operating Hadj services.
Mutt.
The first part of the Hadj starts around the 12th January. Following the demise of Transaer, I don’t believe that there will be any Irish carriers supporting the movement. But I would take bets that Air Atlanta, Britannia and Corse Air will be operating Hadj services.
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You might also find at least one other large British registered carrier either operating directly on the Hadj or doing some sub lease..Which is operationally possible (EiEio)despite rumours to the contrary.
You may well be suprised. only time will tell. They certainly have the aircraft and crew available.....
You may well be suprised. only time will tell. They certainly have the aircraft and crew available.....
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Mutt and Co, I am not disputing your knoweldge, simply pointing out the CAA, may have other ideas, about their aircraft going down to KHI, but as you did point out, time will tell.
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I read this thread with much interest. I have to agree with the lot of you that 411A is full of hot air. About a year ago there was a thread in regards to Orient out of BKK and he pretty much cut that down too and predicted that they will go tits up within a few months. Amazingly, they got the whole Indian Hadj a few months later (yes, all of India accept Mumbai which was done by Saudia). They even contracted an L-10 from AAI during the Hadj. And they are still around with 7 TriStars (one is ex-AAI). He claims to know Udom, it's not hard to throw names around, just pick up a recent copy of FI. "I" should know if Orient is going tit's up or not. I'm not saying it's a best company around but hey, it's still around. Many our our guys here ended up at AAI. On the inside? So far they all have only good things to say about the company. Just say it like how I see it. "Little information is indeed a dangerous thing"
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411A. FYI "N" registered L1011 bought for scrap value and dismantelled by FAA repair station as TUS. All parts removed were just that, Scrap until put through shop for full overhaul or repair and given new tags. "No" parts were given a serviceable tag as removed.
ALL other aircraft either having been dismantelled or presently being dismantelled in MZJ were on JAA registration and as such a program is in effect with the respective authority. FYI if you know MZJ and its recent history you would be well aware that the park is under constant and heavy scrutiny by the FAA and has been for a number of years. Also JAA member states regularly send reps down. This much I can guarantee.
Despite Rumours to the contrary there has never been an issue raised by ANY authority, or for that matter from anyone speaking from a point of authority as to the legitimacy of that operation. This might however be in contradiction to something you might have heard...Rumours perhaps, or just plain bull.
FYI several other euro registered airlines are carrying out exactly the same procedure at MZJ as are FAA customers. This in fact is the second largest site in the world for commercial aircraft decommisioning and dismantelling. Nothing new there.
Having been with the local DER and a DAR on this particular site, this much is guaranteed.
Speculation based on hearsay and conjecture regarding the legitamacy of an operation is one thing, but pretending to know what your talking about is clearly another.
ALL other aircraft either having been dismantelled or presently being dismantelled in MZJ were on JAA registration and as such a program is in effect with the respective authority. FYI if you know MZJ and its recent history you would be well aware that the park is under constant and heavy scrutiny by the FAA and has been for a number of years. Also JAA member states regularly send reps down. This much I can guarantee.
Despite Rumours to the contrary there has never been an issue raised by ANY authority, or for that matter from anyone speaking from a point of authority as to the legitimacy of that operation. This might however be in contradiction to something you might have heard...Rumours perhaps, or just plain bull.
FYI several other euro registered airlines are carrying out exactly the same procedure at MZJ as are FAA customers. This in fact is the second largest site in the world for commercial aircraft decommisioning and dismantelling. Nothing new there.
Having been with the local DER and a DAR on this particular site, this much is guaranteed.
Speculation based on hearsay and conjecture regarding the legitamacy of an operation is one thing, but pretending to know what your talking about is clearly another.
I personally can't wait until next year, I just *know* that AAI is going to go gangbusters ...
I'm planning on the next couple of months being pretty quiet, but when the Hajj starts it'll just be a typical Hajj, ie, we'll have over ten planes and many crews going flat out. I can't see why the other regular airlines won't be expanding again shortly after that, and that's where AAI excels.
I have no plans on going anywhere for years to come.
I'm planning on the next couple of months being pretty quiet, but when the Hajj starts it'll just be a typical Hajj, ie, we'll have over ten planes and many crews going flat out. I can't see why the other regular airlines won't be expanding again shortly after that, and that's where AAI excels.
I have no plans on going anywhere for years to come.
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You may well be interested to know, Flybob, that the SDL FSDO has a vey large investigation in progress at MZJ at the moment....results shortly i'm sure.
And for Whoaaa, well if Udom was so well heeled, why is it that some of the guys that did the Haj for him last year are still waiting for their salary? In fact, some are waiting for their salary from 1999.
When we repossessed the L10 (s/n 1040) from Orient in 1999, the Thai DGCA mentioned that their certificate had been cancelled and would NOT be reinstated....and so it hasn't.
Once a pox on aviation, even a bigger pox now.
And for Whoaaa, well if Udom was so well heeled, why is it that some of the guys that did the Haj for him last year are still waiting for their salary? In fact, some are waiting for their salary from 1999.
When we repossessed the L10 (s/n 1040) from Orient in 1999, the Thai DGCA mentioned that their certificate had been cancelled and would NOT be reinstated....and so it hasn't.
Once a pox on aviation, even a bigger pox now.